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Maybe Make It 999,999 Users On Digg
I see Digg now says has a million users. Well, as many are pointing out, at least 1,000,000 registered accounts that may or may not have actual active users. How many really use Digg as active registered members is known only to Digg. But as I watch Digg merrily allow every story from Search Engine Land get buried out of ignorant vindictiveness (more below), I figure maybe I should just abandon my account. I'm especially disillusioned having first-hand witnessed what seems to be a Digg cover-up attempt (again, more below). I'm sure Digg wouldn't care. I'm not very active, nor would I ever be a top Digger since I don't post about Linux and I hate Apple, two of the community's favorite topics. For the record, I do love Battlestar Galactica, as I've written, and people seemed to like my I Want Jack Bauer's Cell Phone post. Yes, 24 rocks! Maybe my TV habits would get me a pass? But seriously, while I might not be active, I've had a few things Diggers might have liked. Typically that's news from Google and other search engines directly, just as soon as it is out. That's part of what Digg was supposed to be about -- spreading the news fast. I'm not talking Search Engine Land writing about something a search engine had done and submitting that to Digg. I mean being the first person to post at Digg with links to the official announcements themselves, such as Google's click fraud rate release, or a disappearing pages glitch at Google being confirmed, Google earnings being announced, Google bombs being fixed, Yahoo's reorganization. In all those cases, I was the first to get Diggers the official news, within minutes of it coming out. But since I don't have much of a friends network -- nor have I developed much Digg power through my submissions, these stories have been submitted and died. I might stick with it, stick with Digg, but it's hard to understand why as you learn more how the "democracy" of those 1,000,000 users really seems to be where a secret police system monitors any utterance of diggcrime, even a suspected utterance, and promptly banishes the site from being seen on Digg in the future. I'm working up a much longer, thoughtful article about this. One of the things I'm waiting on is an official response from Digg -- which is quite happy to reach out for coverage when there's something positive (and has gotten it), but so far stays silent on discussing questions it may not want discussed. Here's the short story. Last week, I dared write about the alleged Digg bury brigade. Actually, I wrote about how to tap into the Digg Spy service if you wanted to pull out some bury activity. I didn't name any "brigade members" nor even say there was a brigade. But that story got submitted to Digg (not by me, probably by someone using the Digg buttons Digg itself encourages us to use), which in turn got Search Engine Land on someone's shit list. Bear in mind, there's a good chance we got on that list by someone who never even read the article. They may have just assumed it was about the bury brigade allegations, a topic I've learned seems to be one of the most heated at Digg. I'll give an example of this further down. As concerns about buries ramped up last week, I did a second article. This type, I talked about bury abuses. I'd done a previous article, Diggers Can't Handle The Truth (About SEO), going step-by-step about how that story had been buried by some for the wrong reasons. Keep in mind, you can't tell who buries a story or why. But sometimes comments leave clues, and those clues raised concerns that Diggers were sometimes reporting sites as spam rather than more appropriate bury topics. My second article, Digg's Kevin Rose Fails To Stop The Bury Brigade, went step-by-step again on how to tell if a submission from a site gets buried, something that can be a mystery to people. "Bury Brigade" was in the title, but this was a reference to how Search Engine Land articles had begun systematically being buried by a person or persons in a clearly coordinated manner. Effectively, the site was (and remains) banned on Digg even though Digg itself isn't officially doing it. I think. You can't tell because buries aren't public. And by the way, we're not the only ones experiencing the "unofficial" ban situation. My story ended up on Digg. Heh. It got buried -- less than fifteen minutes after being submitted. Now picture the democracy. Before anyone who monitors what I submit (my friends) or lots of people who just watch new submissions come in, the story was gone. Poof. No more chance for it ever to go popular, and a decision perhaps made by one lone but powerful person. We don't know who exactly, because buries are invisible. You know a story is buried but not who did it. It's like having an election where 15 minutes after voting begins, someone is able to make a change to yank a candidate off the ballot. Remember how I said buries could happen for the wrong reason, by people who might not have even read the story to know what it was about? When my second story hit Digg, this was explicitly proven. User Canewediggit was the first to comment on it:
The story wasn't spam, something that I'd submitted to Digg somehow against its guidelines. I didn't submit it at all. Nor was the story about the bury brigade that Canewediggit was thinking of, something I've repeatedly tried to explain to him in the comments at Digg. Canewediggit, who is understandably mad that ANOTHER story apparently labeled him as a top burier, when he says he is not, is now ironically burying all stories that he thinks are about that topic even if he doesn't read them. You can't read Canewediggit's original comment at Digg any longer, however. That's where the cover-up part comes in. I wondered if it was a violation of Digg's terms for someone to deliberately use the wrong Bury option or to systematically bury stories in some manner. I messaged the abuse@digg.com address about it, pointing to the comment. To my surprise, several hours later, I got this reply:
Wow. What did they do, suspend him (or her, but I'm assuming it's a him)? Warn him? I went to the thread, expecting to see some angry comment about having been warned. Instead, his original comment where he admit using the wrong Bury option was removed. Along with it went, sadly, a lot of really good discussion on the entire topic that was going on from multiple Digg users, making one remark in the another thread that survived:
Something fishy indeed. That's because Canewediggit himself posted after the thread removal, and his comments made it clear he'd not had any type of warning. He learned of the abuse message from what I posted in the thread, and after the "action" had been done by Digg. Why would Digg act to protect him? He has a number of home page stories, so perhaps it was an attempt to keep a top user happy. If so, hey -- top users can do whatever they want. And some animals are more equal than others, in the democracy. Like I said, I'm working up a much longer piece on this. Having spent years talking to people upset that the Google "democracy" of link analysis doesn't seem to work -- years listening to sometimes paranoid comments that Google is some "guardian" of the web where if you're not listed, you're invisible -- I find it interesting to be encountering the same issue myself with Digg. The difference is that Digg isn't the guardian of anything, nor do I feel I'm somehow wiped out if I'm not listed there or made invisible. I'm made invisible to people on Digg. That's their loss, not mine. For example, Digg's known for having lots of Google fanboys, people who love Google no matter what. Last week, my Dissecting Microsoft Slams At Google As Copyright Infringer defense of many of Microsoft's accusations against Google made Digg. In this case, I submitted it myself. That's not against the rules, and I made it clear it was a self-submit. But I did it to time how long it would take to get buried. That one hung in there for I think 40 minutes. But it was ultimately buried. Really, it's a story you'd think the fanboys would have loved. I'm not a Google fanboy -- I just like balance. But this gave plenty of fanboys stuff they would have liked. They just never got a chance to see it. Their loss. Sure, the traffic would have been nice -- but over 2,000 other people did see it through other sources. Hopefully I'll have my longer piece together next week. The Google/Digg comparison is so compelling. What I do know is that for all the accusations aimed against Google, the democracy of its links is far more open and fair than what seems to be the case at the "people" news search engine of Digg. By Danny Sullivan on Mar. 8, 2007 | Permalink See related posts in: Work
Next Post: UCI Doesn't Make The NCAA Basketball Tournament (Of Course) Comments Comment by diego | March 9, 2007 2:10 AM Definitely one of the most insightful posts about Digg I've read, and to be honest, the quality of traffic I've gotten from Digg has been abysmally poor. Comment by Christopher Penn, Financial Aid Podcast Great stuff Danny, can't wait for the main article. Comment by fev123 | March 12, 2007 5:27 PM Great article I appreciate it very much. Comment by Versand | July 10, 2007 1:16 PM Want to comment? If you are signed into TypeKey, you'll see a form below. No form? Click on the sign-in link below, and you can sign-in or sign-up for a free account. Sorry you have to use TypeKey, but I use it to avoid comment spam. All comments currently appear automatically after posting.
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I don't think that what a bunch of pimply 12 years old do on Digg matters.