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The Great Gmail Import & My Short Life With Web-Based Mail
About two weeks ago, I dived in to merge two years worth of mail from one Gmail account to my existing Google Apps mail account. I wanted to cover how it went and how it caused me inadvertently to abandon my cherished desktop client, Outlook, for two weeks. No, it didn't make me a web-based email convert. But perhaps it might down the line. Merging Gmail & Google Apps Mail Accounts is my previous post covering some of the discoveries I made when combining the two accounts. I had no idea it would ultimately take 12 days to complete. During that time, I had to shift to using only web mail because any attempt to download only "new" mail caused hundreds -- thousands! -- of imported messages to be seen as new by Outlook. Coincidentally, the Gmail blog just posted Tips for importing old email to Gmail noting, "It might take a while for Gmail to fetch everything from your old account...." Indeed, 12 days? I know, I had over two years worth of mail. But both accounts are hosted by Google. There should be a much easier, efficient way to combine two accounts without having to go through POP downloads. I covered some of the glitches already, but here are some additional ones:
Watch spam carefully! All new mail brought in is reassessed through Gmail's spam filters. This is kind of odd. If you didn't tag it as spam the first time, why reevaluate it and risk false positives? Surely there wouldn't be many false positives. After all, I extensively tested Gmail spam filtering when I switched over to it back in 2006. Part of the reason I moved was that false positives were minor. These days, when I get several hundred spam messages per day, I routinely hit that "Delete all spam messages now" link to wipe out thousands of spam mail without a second glance. I trust Gmail that much. Don't. Don't trust it that much with imported email. I found it was nabbing hundreds of messages that I myself sent as spam, stuff that by no means was. I found many other important messages from others being nabbed by the filters. I wish I'd more closely reviewed the spam messages earlier as they came in. I only realized so many false positives were happening about midway through the process. FYI, of the 90,000 messages I imported, it looks like about 20,000 of them were indeed spam that didn't get caught the first time they were seen by Gmail. So there is a plus to the second run in spam filtering. But it has its downsides. As part of this, I found myself amazed again that over two years since I last complained about it, you apparently still cannot whitelist people in Gmail. Insane. C'mon, Gmail, get with it. How hard is it to allow people to create whilelists for mail that shouldn't be filtered. Did I miss this somewhere? And how about an option to simply filter out any email in non-Latin languages. Trust me -- anything sent to me in Chinese is spam or something I don't need to see. I don't speak Chinese. Let me filter it out. You know, like I asked for two years ago. And still no ability to see more than 100 items at a time? Sigh. The mail that won't die. For some reason, I had about 300 messages that refused to be archived or go away. I ended up downloading them to Outlook yet they continued to stay on the server as if they were new. Well, 300 messages out of 90,000 imported ain't bad. Ultimately, I deleted them. It was the only way forward. Moving on, I wanted to talk a bit about using web-based email. It's weird to me, OK? I live in Outlook. Like if you don't email me so that it reached Outlook, you don't exist. I do everything through Outlook in terms of my scheduling, action items and so on. FYI, if you send me Facebook mail, there's a very good chance I'll never, ever get back to you. Hey, I'm swamped with regular email. Facebook mail is like a second disaster zone for me. Send me real email! But you know, don't. Nah, it's OK, -- I'm actually pretty good at managing a heavy email load. Expect a future post later. So I know people who swear by web-based email, seem to fly along with it just fine, and more power to them. But for me, it just felt strange. Suddenly, I found myself stuck in the world of web-based email, since it was impossible to download into Outlook. How'd I like it? Better than I thought. OK, it was kind of nice being able to archive messages, assign multiple labels to them instead of having them exist in only one folder and so on. I did get used to it. Give me offline functionality! Still, I'm not a convert. Most important, I need my email portable. I just did an eleven hour flight. I had 25 messages in my Gmail inbox. I couldn't get them into Outlook. I couldn't access them on the plane. And the fast save I did of a few messages in HTML turned out to not save anything at all. No offline email, no conversion for me. End of story. Yes, lots of Google products are going to offline functionality. But Google Gears doesn't seem to have given that to Gmail yet. Way back, there was a mention that you could read your most recent Gmail messages using Google Gears, but I haven't played with that nor seen many talking about it as a serious way to use Gmail offline. IMAP's Kind Of Cool. I've used POP to get my email for years. When Gmail announced IMAP support, well, yawn. I didn't get it. Just before I started the merge process, I enabled IMAP thinking it was time to grow up. Instead, I freaked out. I had all these folders I didn't understand, each corresponding I learned later to a label on the server. I hit the root folder out of habit and was told it wasn't accessible. Overall, things just didn't feel right. I went back to POP. Tonight, I really need to get those 30 or so messages in my Inbox in Gmail into Outlook. Another flight, you see -- this time a 16 hour jump from LA to Sydney tomorrow for SMX Sydney. The problem is, after the mega import, Outlook won't download them through POP. It thinks they've already been downloaded. Time to see if this whole IMAP two way thing works. Cool, it did! Enabling it let me get those messages that were trapped on the server. But the problem it, it also wants to bring over all the messages associated with them in a conversation. Hey, I don't need all those other messages, and bringing them explodes my nice neat Inbox from 30 messages to over 100. Argh! Meanwhile, I added a number of labels as part of the import process I went through. One was called ME NOT SPAM, to list any email sent from myself in my old account. There's nearly 3,000 messages tagged like this in Gmail. And now I have a folder matching it in Outlook. And if I dare click on that folder, Outlook tries to download all of them. Gads, imagine what that will do to my PST file. Overall, I kind of like what IMAP in Gmail might offer. I can learn to avoid clicking on labels that will bring up too many messages. And having labels that can correspond to the Outlook folders I use might be kind of nice. Plus, it offers a way to potentially get around the offline problem. But for now, I'm going back to POP. You know, the email POP, not POP goes my heart (Music & Lyrics, great movie, check out the clip below!) NO BACKUP! I realized that over the past two weeks, I have no offline copy of what I've sent using Gmail. I've heard the rare horror story of someone that lost their hosted data (video, pictures, email, whatever). I've never worried much about such stories because I always have an offline copy of my data, most especially email. But for the first time, some of my email only resides with Google's servers. Long may they wave. But the ability to download and backup on a regular basis is vital. By Danny Sullivan on Apr. 7, 2008 | PermalinkSee related posts in: Email
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I'm all web based email now and never going back, I've so embraced living in the cloud it's not funny.
What's humorous though is cloud based computing actually sucks when you are in the clouds. I don't travel nearly as much as you so I can plan around it, but once they get that solved I hope we'll have things all sorted out.
Tried Google Apps didn't work for me too many plugins/GM scripts didnt work, maybe I'll go back and try again.