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		<title>Dear Amazon Associate: Dude, You Earned No Money!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ages ago &#8212; pre-AdSense days &#8212; I signed up as an Amazon associate. I never earned much despite those oh-so-carefully targeted product links once on my Doogie Howser Meets Starship Troopers page or a few other places where I had them. Google AdSense &#8212; without even trying &#8212; left Amazon referral fees in the dust. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Ages ago &#8212; pre-AdSense days &#8212; I signed up as an Amazon associate. I never<br />
earned much despite those oh-so-carefully targeted product links once on my<br />
<a href="http://calafia.com/doogie/">Doogie Howser Meets Starship Troopers</a><br />
page or a few other places where I had them. Google AdSense &#8212; without even<br />
trying &#8212; left Amazon referral fees in the dust.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so pathetic the email I get each month. It starts out<br />
promisingly enough:</p>
<p><span id="more-293"></span></p>
<blockquote>
<p>Dear Amazon.com Associate, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time again for referral fee payments to our Associates! We have<br />
reached the end of April 2007, and we have just sent payments to eligible<br />
Associates for the referral fees earned during the past month.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is always followed by the same depressing message:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Your earnings, including any credit balance from previous payment periods,<br />
did not reach the minimum referral fee threshold for your payment method. We<br />
have credited your April referral fees to your account for a future payment.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The email then goes on with all this information about getting payments,<br />
important notices and so on. That all makes up the bulk of the email when all I<br />
really need to know is nope, I earned nothing.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, I checked to see what exactly Amazon was holding in reserve<br />
for me. Turns out, the princely sum of $68.35 since my last payment back in<br />
October 2000 (yes, two thousand). I earned $0.32 in April 2007, then the same<br />
amount before that for February 2007, then amazingly the highest amount ever<br />
from Amazon, $28.49 for the fourth quarter of 2006. Wow!</p>
<p>Most of that was for three separate digital picture frames that were<br />
purchased through Amazon, from a link from my page about<br />
<a href="http://daggle.com/060720-035415.html">digital picture frames</a>. So, I<br />
guess those links aren&#8217;t a complete waste of time. Still, without much work or<br />
effort, AdSense generated about $800 for the same time period.</p>
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		<title>Please, Digg &#8212; Spare My The North Cyprus Property Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minor rant here, about being sick and tired of seeing the same pitch for North Cyprus property over and over again on Digg. Can&#8217;t Google give them any better ad inventory for UK visitors to see? And while I&#8217;m ranting, what&#8217;s with the &#34;free&#34; XBox 360 ad that Google&#8217;s allowing to slip past the quality [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Minor rant here, about being sick and tired of seeing the same pitch for<br />
North Cyprus property over and over again on Digg. Can&#8217;t Google give them any<br />
better ad inventory for UK visitors to see? And while I&#8217;m ranting, what&#8217;s with<br />
the &quot;free&quot; XBox 360 ad that Google&#8217;s allowing to slip past the quality police?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say most people who visit Digg see ads at the top of the page like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220490/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/353220490_935eb39027.jpg" width="500" height="111" alt="Digg Ads" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>or if there&#8217;s not set of ads delivered up by Google, you probably get the<br />
always popular pitch for the Digg podcast:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220681/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/353220681_97818c37bf.jpg" width="500" height="113" alt="Diggnation Podcast" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>Now me, I&#8217;m over in the UK. And I&#8217;m virtually certain this means I&#8217;m getting<br />
treated to this favorite ad that most people in the US probably don&#8217;t see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220526/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/353220526_d693b0a55e.jpg" width="500" height="161" alt="North Cyprus Properties Ad" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>I see this ad all the time. I&#8217;ve seen it day in, day out for weeks. I&#8217;ve seen<br />
it so many times I wish that Google would have another link next to that &quot;Ads by<br />
Google&quot; link called &quot;Never show me this ad again.&quot; Then I could banish this ad<br />
from my sight forever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got no problem with North Cyprus. I actually love Northern Cyprus. I was<br />
there on vacation back in 2002. My in laws were stationed in<br />
Cyprus back in the 60s as part of the British forces and talked about there time<br />
there often. One year, we went back with them.<br />
Went to Northern Cyprus because unlike the south, it&#8217;s far less<br />
developed. I wanted a better sense of how things used to be like. It&#8217;s<br />
beautiful. Here&#8217;s the harbor city of Kyrenia, or Gime using its Turkish name,<br />
from one of my photos:</p>
<p><span id="more-262"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353255397/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/353255397_027f787b49.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Kyrenia In 2002" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>Heck, I might even be interested in Northern Cyprus property some day. But<br />
that would have to come after the entire divided island of Cyprus issue gets<br />
resolved. For those not up on the island, it&#8217;s been divided since 1974 into the<br />
Greek-dominated and internationally recognized southern Republic Of Cyprus and<br />
the Turkish-dominated and generally unrecognized Turkish Republic Of Northern<br />
Cyprus in the north. Wikipedia gives some history<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus">here</a>.</p>
<p>This leads me to those ads being UK targeted. As a former UK colony, the<br />
island is popular with Brits. Brits also love to get in on housing booms.<br />
Property in the south is far more expensive than in the north. So there&#8217;s been a<br />
wave of Brits wanting to beat the &quot;land rush&quot; and buy in the north.</p>
<p>The problem is that some of that northern property was formerly owned by<br />
people who fled to the south. And since Cyprus is now part of the European<br />
Union, that means Brits buying property could find themselves vulnerable to<br />
lawsuits in cases where title is unclear. Here&#8217;s one<br />
<a href="http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&#038;item_no=33978&#038;version=1&#038;template_id=39&#038;parent_id=21"><br />
article</a> about a couple that lost an appeal in 2005 brought against them<br />
through UK courts. Here&#8217;s the UK government<br />
<a href="http://www.financialmirror.com/more_news.php?id=2981">warning</a> about<br />
such purchases last year.<br />
<a href="http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/propertyrights/propertyrights.htm">Here&#8217;s</a><br />
a collection of some related articles.</p>
<p>So much as I liked Northern Cyprus, I&#8217;m not going to be buying property. And<br />
I&#8217;d really like to see some other ads on Digg, just for a change of pace.</p>
<p>A side note here. I&#8217;ve visited two divided cities in my life: Berlin and<br />
Nicosia, on Cyprus. Berlin, of course, is no longer divided. Indeed, six months<br />
after I first visited it with the wall up, I was back during the New Year&#8217;s<br />
celebration after the wall had come down. What a contrast. I&#8217;m looking forward<br />
to seeing how it has changed since then, when I finally return to the city in<br />
March.</p>
<p>Nicosia remains divided. Visiting that city took me back to what seemed hard<br />
to imagine ever happened, the division of Berlin.</p>
<p>Finally, I leave Cyprus to discuss the Xbox 360. Let&#8217;s go back to that Cyprus<br />
ad:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220563/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/353220563_a31658971d.jpg" width="500" height="214" alt="North Cyprus Properties Ad 2" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>See that Xbox ad below it, down there on the right? Here, let&#8217;s zoom in:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220580/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/353220580_97496878d6_o.jpg" width="185" height="156" alt="Supposed Free Xbox 360 Offer 1" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>I had to chuckle. Are you REALLY going to send me a free Xbox for answering<br />
five questions? That&#8217;s the promise, and it&#8217;s the type of promise that gets<br />
someone like Ben Edelman upset over fake &quot;free ads,&quot; as I<br />
<a href="http://searchengineland.com/061212-100923.php">wrote about</a><br />
recently.</p>
<p>Just for fun, I decided to see how it played out. I arrived at a page asking<br />
for my email address. I gave it a fake one. Then I had to enter my &quot;shipping<br />
address.&quot; I gave it a fake one. Then I got to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220622/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/353220622_94ca183656.jpg" width="500" height="316" alt="Supposed Free Xbox 360 Offer 2" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>Offer? What&#8217;s the deal about offers? I thought I just had to do a survey,<br />
right? Down at the bottom of the page, you&#8217;re told:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220661/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/353220661_059738c396.jpg" width="500" height="324" alt="Supposed Free Xbox 360 Offer 3" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>So not only do I have to participate in an offer &#8212; which the ad never<br />
mentioned &#8212; but then I&#8217;ve got to &quot;Refer Friends&quot; to manage to get to the<br />
mystery &quot;Level 3&quot; for my Xbox. What did that ad say again?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/353220580/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/353220580_97496878d6_o.jpg" width="185" height="156" alt="Supposed Free Xbox 360 Offer 1" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>So much for answering a 5 question survey. Well, I&#8217;ve got an Xbox already.<br />
And a 360. And<br />
<a href="http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/strategy/vivapinata/index.html">Viva<br />
Piñata</a> for it rocks. <a href="http://daggle.com/061210-185129.html">But my<br />
Wii rocks more</a>. Someday I&#8217;ll write more about them, too!</p>
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		<title>AdSense &amp; EFT Payments In Non-US Currencies</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/adsense-eft-payments-in-non-us-currencies-230</link>
		<comments>http://daggle.com/adsense-eft-payments-in-non-us-currencies-230#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As anyone can see, I run AdSense here on Daggle. It&#8217;s more for playing and seeing how it works than any big money maker. At some point, I&#8217;ve promised Jennifer Slegg to go onto her Click This! podcast and throw all my AdSense newbie questions her way. There are so many things I find odd [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>As anyone can see, I run AdSense here on Daggle. It&#8217;s more for playing and<br />
seeing how it works than any big money maker. At some point, I&#8217;ve promised<br />
<a href="http://www.jensense.com/">Jennifer Slegg</a> to go onto her<br />
<a href="http://www.webmasterradio.fm/episodes/index.php?showId=42">Click This!</a><br />
podcast and throw all my AdSense newbie questions her way. There are so many<br />
things I find odd about how it works. This post is about one of those, trying to<br />
get paid in US dollars if you&#8217;re not based in the US.</p>
<p><span id="more-230"></span></p>
<p>As my traffic went up and my AdSense placements improved, I started getting a<br />
check each month, rather than once or twice per year. These checks come to me in<br />
US dollars, sent to my UK address. Depositing them either meant waiting until my<br />
next trip back to the US, to put them in my bank there, or firing them off to my<br />
US dollar account with Citibank UK (which I<br />
<a href="http://daggle.com/060510-155504.html">highly recommend</a> for any<br />
expats). The account is great, but it started to be a pain to be mailing these<br />
physical checks off to Citibank.</p>
<p>I decided to get all digital and have my funds sent electronically to my US<br />
bank in the US. I headed over to the My Account area in AdSense, went to Account<br />
Settings, Payment Details, Add A New Bank Account and stalled.</p>
<p>There was no place to give my US account number and bank routing number.<br />
Instead, everything was oriented for UK accounts, which use sort codes and<br />
account numbers. Ugh.</p>
<p>I asked AdSense support about this and was told that I could only have<br />
electronic payments made to my listed country of residence &#8212; the UK &#8212; for &quot;tax<br />
and security&quot; reasons.</p>
<p>Ah, security. I can&#8217;t tell you the number of times that gets trotted out when<br />
I have to deal with some banking issue in the US from the UK. I usually feel<br />
it&#8217;s just a convenient excuse for &quot;you&#8217;re a weird situation, we don&#8217;t want to<br />
deal with that.&quot;</p>
<p>Fine. How about changing my account to a US address. Nope, it turns out you<br />
can&#8217;t do that. Once you list a country for your AdSense account, apparently you<br />
have to live in that country for all eternity. There goes my plans to retire<br />
back home in California. Thanks, AdSense, for robbing me of my golden years <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Alternatively, you can close your AdSense account and create a new one, I was<br />
told. I declined that fun option. Instead, I decided to do EFT to my US dollar<br />
account that&#8217;s based in the UK.</p>
<p>That led to another problem. To verify an account, AdSense makes a small<br />
deposit. I could see this arrive in my account. However, I couldn&#8217;t complete<br />
verification because AdSense wanted the amount in UK pounds.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know the amount in UK pounds, since this was a dollar account. To<br />
know the amount, I&#8217;d have to know what exchange rate Google was using<br />
internally, which isn&#8217;t listed. Why not try some guestimates? Well, you get four<br />
tries, then you lock out that account for EFT purposes permanently.</p>
<p>I followed up with Google on this, and it got even more complex. AdSense<br />
support said it was likely Google converted from dollars to pounds to send the<br />
deposit, then the bank converted again from pounds back to dollars since this is<br />
a dollar-based account. What a pain!</p>
<p>So there it sits, my account all unverified. Meanwhile, I was able to set up<br />
a UK pound account to do EFTs. The downside to this is that the payments will be<br />
changed to whatever rate Google decides, rather than you changing up when you<br />
prefer.</p>
<p>That brings me to an email I got from AdSense today, telling me to sign-up<br />
for EFT! Out of the blue, it highlighted all the problems I had:</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>We can only make EFT payments to bank accounts in your country of<br />
residence. This means that if your AdSense account is in the US, we can&#8217;t<br />
make payments to your UK bank account. <br />
&nbsp;</li>
<li>We can only make EFT payments in your local currency. For example, if<br />
you live in Canada but your bank account is in US dollars, your bank may not<br />
accept these payments or they may convert your payment to US Dollars. So<br />
that your AdSense payment is not converted twice, we recommend that you use<br />
a bank account in your country&#8217;s local currency. </li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I hope these problems go away. In particular, I&#8217;d urge AdSense to:</p>
<ul>
<li>Make it possible to change your country of residence.<br />
&nbsp;</li>
<li>Make it possible to pay to accounts in more than one country.<br />
&nbsp;</li>
<li>Make it possible to indicate the base currency of an account in any<br />
country, so that I can ensure dollars into a UK-based dollar account stay in<br />
dollars. Yes, Virginia, people outside the US can indeed have accounts based<br />
in dollars.</li>
</ul>
<p>If it helps, link some of these extended options to what tax information is<br />
provided to AdSense. Google has my US taxpayer ID. They know I&#8217;ve got a US-based<br />
connection. There&#8217;s no particular security reason to then prevent me from paying<br />
into a US-based account.</p>
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