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		<title>OK, Naysayers &#8212; Here&#8217;s Why You Would Want To Turn Off Gmail&#8217;s Conversation View</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google&#8217;s rolled out a new option to turn off &#8220;conversation view&#8221; in Gmail. I&#8217;m dumbfounded that I&#8217;ve seen two different people now question why anyone would want to do this. OK, I&#8217;ll bite. But Conversation View Is So Great! Let&#8217;s do the critics first. Here&#8217;s Google&#8217;s Matt Cutts about the crazy people who don&#8217;t want [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Google&#8217;s rolled out a <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/turn-off-gmails-conversation-view.html">new option</a> to turn off &#8220;conversation view&#8221; in Gmail. I&#8217;m dumbfounded that I&#8217;ve seen two different people now question why anyone would want to do this. OK, I&#8217;ll bite.</p>
<p><strong>But Conversation View Is So Great!</strong></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s do the critics first. <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/mattcutts/status/25904069570">Here&#8217;s</a> Google&#8217;s Matt Cutts about the crazy people who don&#8217;t want conversations:</p>
<blockquote><p>But ability 2 turn off Gmail conversation view is like ability 2 hit head against wall. Why would you do it? <a href="http://twitter.com/#search/%23notefficient" target="_blank">#notefficient</a> <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s Christopher Dawson over <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-conversation-view-why-would-you-disable-it/2511">at ZDNet</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google announced today that it would allow users to disable what, in my  opinion, is the single best feature of Gmail and one of the most touted  new features of Outlook 2010&#8230;</p>
<p>This sounds to me, however, like it is really about attracting  enterprise-types who have become accustomed to Outlook and Exchange,  where a conversation view only became available with the launch of  Outlook 2010. Conversation view, for non-Gmail users, is a real switch</p>
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<p>Heck, even Google itself, in <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/turn-off-gmails-conversation-view.html">announcing the change</a>, makes me feel like I&#8217;m an insane pariah for wanting it:</p>
<blockquote><p>It turns out not everyone feels the same way. And just as an outspoken minority has banded together in unison to declare their distaste of one of nature’s most delicious herbs, some of you have been very vocal about your dislike of conversation threading.</p>
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<p><strong>Let Me Count The Reasons To Opt-Out</strong></p>
<p>So why am I so crazy as to want this off? For one, because I want to, OK?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if you love Gmail&#8217;s conversation view and think it&#8217;s the best thing since sliced bread. Not everyone does. So having a choice to disable it is nice. Choices are good. I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s here now, and I&#8217;d prefer that you didn&#8217;t question my decision to use it.</p>
<p><strong>Conversations Aren&#8217;t Perfect</strong></p>
<p>Other reasons. You know what? Gmail&#8217;s not perfect. Sometimes it puts things into a conversation that aren&#8217;t actually part of it. Sometimes it misses other things On the odd occasion, I&#8217;ve got some spam or off-topic message that I don&#8217;t want in the middle of everything else.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example right now, in my inbox:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2232" title="Conversation View" src="http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/gmailview-500x163.png" alt="" width="500" height="163" /></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the latest comment on a blog post that I have about <a href="http://daggle.com/sneaked-versus-snuck-past-tense-versus-past-participle-73">sneaked versus snuck</a>. That post has over 100 comments. I&#8217;ve got over 100 notifications of each comment. However, Gmail thinks for whatever reason that only 4 of them today are part of the &#8220;conversation.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, that makes sense if you&#8217;re talking the most recent conversation. But I thought Gmail was all about keeping track of conversations over time? Where&#8217;s the rest?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also frigging annoying. I&#8217;m one of those people who likes to deal with an email individually and have it done. So in my inbox, I have what feels to me four different messages coming back, when I really only want to deal with the latest one.</p>
<p><strong>Deleting Is Easier</strong></p>
<p>I also get a lot of crap email, stuff I want to delete. But I never feel safe using the delete feature from the inbox because it will wipe out a bunch of messages that may have been wrapped into a conversation. Instead, I have to click into the conversation, then delete what I might want to kill.</p>
<p>I know, I know. Unlimited storage! Never need to delete. Yeah, that&#8217;s not really true, as my <a href="http://daggle.com/pondering-email-conservation-hitting-gmails-storage-limit-1395">Pondering “Email Conservation” After Hitting Gmail’s Storage Limit</a> post gets into. Hey, I solved my storage issues for $50 per year, and it&#8217;s well spent. With 60% of my quota still free, I don&#8217;t need to delete. But if I want to, I want to, OK? And a non-conversation view makes it easier.</p>
<p><strong>Focusing Can Be Easier</strong></p>
<p>Another reason is sometimes, I have long emails that in turn are shoved into long conversation views. This is another case when I might more easily want to deal with just a single email, in a non-conversation view.</p>
<p><strong>How About An Easier Toggle?</strong></p>
<p>So thanks, Gmail, for allowing me the option. Want to make it better? Allow me to easily toggle it on or off, like Outlook 2010 does. This having to dig into settings and switch it on and off as a global option is crazy. It should be a view option from my inbox or &#8220;all mail&#8221; summary. Hey, showing snippets ought to be, too.</p>
<p>For related views, also see <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/100929/p56#a100929p56">here</a> on Techmeme.</p>
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		<title>How To Shrink A Giant Outlook PST File</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Periodically, I shrink my Outlook PST file. For one reason, it&#8217;s easier to back it up manually from time to time when it&#8217;s smaller. For another, I guess I feel things just run better when it&#8217;s small and tidy. Today, I shrank my file from over 1.1 GB to 80MB, a pretty drastic reduction. Being [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Periodically, I shrink my Outlook PST file. For one reason, it&#8217;s easier to back it up manually from time to time when it&#8217;s smaller. For another, I guess I feel things just run better when it&#8217;s small and tidy.</p>
<p>Today, I shrank my file from over 1.1 GB to 80MB, a pretty drastic reduction. Being excited about such things, I tweeted it, which resulted in a bunch of people asking how. So here are my how make your Outlook PST files smaller tips!</p>
<p>1) Delete sent mail. But wait, you want to save that sent mail? Two options:</p>
<p>1A) Archive via Gmail or another hosted email system, so that you have a permanent online archive of anything you&#8217;ve emailed. See my <a title="Permanent link to Moving From SpamCop To Gmail &amp; Loving POP Download With Archiving" rel="bookmark" href="../../moving-from-spamcop-to-gmail-loving-pop-download-with-archiving-48">Moving From SpamCop To Gmail &amp; Loving POP Download With Archiving</a> for more about this.</p>
<p>1B) Make additional PST files and move mail into these. For example, I have two PST files active. One is my main file called Danny, which is where my current mail resides. The other is called Archive, where I have a 2008 folder within it:</p>
<p><a title="Archive Folder by dannysullivan, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/4172685120/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4172685120_dcc5ceb47a_o.png" alt="Archive Folder" width="246" height="228" /></a></p>
<p>Over the course of 2009, I&#8217;ve periodically taken email that I want to have a local backup of and copied from the &#8220;Sent Items&#8221; folder in my Danny PST file over to the 2008 Mail folder within the Archive PST file.</p>
<p>Down the line, I&#8217;ll make another PST file called 2008. My 2008 Mail folder will get moved into into that. I&#8217;ll then detach the 2008 PST file and save in case I ever need it. I have a series of these for each year. Meanwhile, my Archive PST file remains as an active holding place for mail. It&#8217;ll gain a new 2009 Mail folder.</p>
<p>2) Empty Deleted Items Folder. Yes, even though you deleted that email, it&#8217;s still sitting around in your Deleted Items folder making your PST file bigger until you really delete it. Do that by right clicking on the folder, then selecting the Empty option:</p>
<p><a title="Deleted Items Folder by dannysullivan, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/4172685144/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/4172685144_6e47d72d56_o.png" alt="Deleted Items Folder" width="296" height="112" /></a></p>
<p>I usually only keep about 1 month&#8217;s worth of deleted mail at a time, just in case I need to go back and find something locally (such as when I&#8217;m on a airplane).</p>
<p>3) Compress! Right click on your PST file (not the folders within it, but the main file itself as listed in the navigation pane. Then select Properties:</p>
<p><a title="PST Properties by dannysullivan, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/4171929811/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2626/4171929811_34d27a95d4_o.png" alt="PST Properties" width="273" height="269" /></a></p>
<p>A new window will appear, your Outlook Today window. Select Advanced, which makes your Personal Folders window appear:</p>
<p><a title="Compact Outlook PST by dannysullivan, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/4172685232/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4172685232_6b58ed5c9d.jpg" alt="Compact Outlook PST" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>Choose Compact Now. Sit back and get something to drink. In about 10 minutes or so, depending on the size of your PST file, it will be dramatically reduced in size.</p>
<p>Why go through all this hassle. Why not just use Gmail directly? Short story is that Outlook&#8217;s a fantastic email management program. Long story is for a future post, where I detail why I like using both Outlook and Gmail together.</p>
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		<title>Pondering &#8220;Email Conservation&#8221; After Hitting Gmail&#8217;s Storage Limit</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in April, I became one of the rare people to run out of Gmail space. Due to a glitch with Google, I was also unable to purchase more space for several weeks. As a result, I became hyperaware of how much email space gets eaten up each day routinely. Newsletters, product offers, Facebook and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Back in April, I became one of the rare people to run out of Gmail space. Due  to a glitch with Google, I was also unable to purchase more space for several  weeks. As a result, I became hyperaware of how much email space gets eaten up  each day routinely. Newsletters, product offers, Facebook and Twitter  notifications, that person you don&#8217;t know who emails you a 7MB file. It adds up.  And Gmail&#8217;s supposedly &#8220;endless&#8221; space might not be keeping pace.</p>
<p>None of this is a crisis for the vast majority of people out there. You  rarely hear people talking about running out of Gmail space. Those like myself  who rely on email so much for business work as to run out of space probably  wouldn&#8217;t think twice about buying more. I certainly would have done so, if I  could have, at the time.</p>
<p>Still, I feel like all this crud going into our email boxes is wasteful. That  in the era of cheap disk space and fast bandwidth, we don&#8217;t think twice about  what we send, what we receive. But all that stuff is consuming disk space,  server space, energy. Is there a case for email conservation?</p>
<p>Maybe. People far more knowledgeable than I might perhaps weigh in, and I&#8217;d  love to hear from them. To kick things off, I&#8217;ll serve as a case study. Here&#8217;s  how I&#8217;ve grappled with trying to stay under my Gmail quota over the past few  weeks.</p>
<p><strong>Out Of Space!</strong></p>
<p>It was on April 30 of this year that my Gmail account started sending out  this message to people who emailed me:</p>
<blockquote><p>The email account that you tried to reach is over quota.</p>
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<p>It surprised me. In the back of my mind, I remembered Google saying something  like you&#8217;d never run out of space in Gmail. The percentage of my quota used,  shown at the bottom of any page in Gmail, had been stuck on 97% for as long as I  could remember. I kind of thought that was part of the gimmick &#8212; that somehow,  Google kept upping the quota in each individual account to always keep it above  water. Not so. Despite the promises on the Gmail home page, I needed to delete  mail in order to have space for more.</p>
<p><strong>The Gmail Infinity Space Promise</strong></p>
<p>When Gmail launched on April 1, 2004 (yes, it was on an April Fool&#8217;s Day),  the suggestions of unlimited storage were there at the beginning. From the <a href="http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/gmail.html">press release</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unlike other free webmail services, Gmail is built on the idea that users  should never have to file or delete a message, or struggle to find an email  they&#8217;ve sent or received&#8230;.</p>
<p>Storage: Google believes people should be able to hold onto their mail  forever. That&#8217;s why Gmail comes with 1,000 megabytes (1 gigabyte) of free  storage – more than 100 times what most other free webmail services offer.</p>
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<p>A year later, Google <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/04/we-re-turning-1.html">rolled  out</a> the &#8220;Infinity+1&#8243; storage promise, giving everyone an extra 1GB of space  (taking the total to 2GB at the time) and promising to keep increasing this.</p>
<p>By October 2007, Google increased the amount of free storage space it was  providing, <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-gmail-storage-coming-for-all.html">writing</a> on the Gmail blog:</p>
<blockquote><p>In April 2005, we started increasing Gmail storage as part of our  &#8220;Infinity+1&#8243; storage plan. At that time, we realized we&#8217;d never reach infinity,  but we promised to keep giving Gmail users more space as we were able. That  said, a few of you are using Gmail so much that you&#8217;re running out of space, so  to make good on our promise, today we&#8217;re announcing we are speeding up our  counter and giving out more free storage.</p>
<p>And, just in case you are like  my friend Miriam, whose sister sends minute to minute photo updates of her kids  in RAW format, then we still have a paid storage program where you can get your  fix, and we&#8217;re giving you more space than before for the same price.</p>
<p>By  the way, businesses, schools and organizations using Google Apps to get Gmail on  their own custom addresses (like Google does for our @google.com accounts) will  get a storage boost in the coming days, too. Standard and Education Edition  storage (now at 2GB) will begin matching Gmail&#8217;s counter, and Premier Edition  users get a whopping 25 GB (up from 10 GB).</p>
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<p>As you can see, at that point, Google had also offered paid storage options.  I thought that was great, because some people might need more than even the huge  amount Google was providing for free. But &#8220;Infinity+1&#8243; implies that buying space  shouldn&#8217;t be needed. And if you go to the Gmail home page today, you&#8217;ll see this  message:</p>
<blockquote><p>Lots of space<br />
Over 7369.392583 megabytes (and counting) of free storage so  you&#8217;ll never need to delete another message.</p>
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<p>The number is constantly counting up (more on this in a bit). The claim is  pretty straight-forward. You&#8217;ll never need to delete anything. And yet, that&#8217;s  exactly what I needed to do. Certainly some others have to do the same. So that  claim ought to go.</p>
<p><strong>How Much Do They Give You? Not Much!</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s also easy to assume, with that number constantly ticking up on the Gmail  home page, that tons of extra space is constantly being allocated to your  account. In reality, it&#8217;s about 1MB every three days (Google Operating System <a href="http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/01/gmails-storage-capacity-stops.html">said</a> 0.33MB per day back in 2007, and that still seems to be the case). Those in Gmail are  constantly being increased. Those using Gmail through Google Apps get a boost to  match Gmail whenever there&#8217;s a 10MB gap between the two services, it seems. Here&#8217;s a chart  illustrating this, the maximum space offered by both versions of Gmail over the past few weeks:</p>
<p><a title="Gmail &amp; Google Apps Storage Over Time by dannysullivan, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/3916619205/"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2453/3916619205_02a5d8e639.jpg" border="0" alt="Gmail &amp; Google Apps Storage Over Time" width="500" height="368" /></a></p>
<p>For some people, that may seem like plenty. But as I was forced to stay under  my quota, I discovered the daily increase in space wasn&#8217;t that much. Moreover,  while I may have hit my quota this year because of how long I&#8217;ve had a Gmail  account, it&#8217;s possible that if space isn&#8217;t increased more than now, many more  might hit theirs in years to come.</p>
<p><strong>The Fight To Stay Tight</strong></p>
<p>Let me share a bit more about my situation, then I&#8217;ll go more into my  observation about how much email junk may be &#8220;wasting&#8221; space for everyone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly unique in having had a Gmail account since the day it launched. <a href="../../moving-from-spamcop-to-gmail-loving-pop-download-with-archiving-48">I  used</a> that account as a backup to my regular email account, sending a copy of  anything I received to it. Last year, I <a href="../../merging-gmail-google-apps-mail-accounts-345">merged</a> all that mail into a Gmail account that runs using my own domain name as part of  the Google Apps program. When I was done, I&#8217;d pretty much stuffed my main Gmail  / Google Apps account full. That&#8217;s the account that ran out of space this  year.</p>
<p>My immediate thought was to upgrade and add more storage. However, I  couldn&#8217;t. When I tried, I got a &#8220;We are unable to process your request&#8221; message  from Google. This continued for about two or three weeks, a bug for a small  number of users, to my understanding, that Google eventually solved.</p>
<p>I had no choice to conserve space. My first reaction was to sort my mail by  size, so that I could find any email with big PowerPoint files or other large  attachments. However, Gmail has no sort by size feature. It&#8217;s an oversight  that&#8217;s long due to end. Yes, the <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html">Mail  Goggles</a> feature to keep you from drunk emailing is funny. But a sort by size  feature has been standard in my Outlook email program for as long as I can  remember and Pegasus Mail before that. Gmail lacks this? Want to lobby for it?  <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-suggest-a-labs-feature/browse_thread/thread/b9d9193a634e3060">Join  this thread at Google Groups</a>.</p>
<p>How about searching for files with attachments, specifically anything with  PPT (PowerPoint) files. Sure, I did that. Unfortunately, it still didn&#8217;t sort  them by size. It was a painful, time consuming process to try and free space up  this way.</p>
<p>Another reaction was to search for any email not in English. Unless you want  to converse with me in really, really bad German, English is all I speak.  Virtually anything in my inbox not in English is spam that&#8217;s gotten through the  filters in some way. I don&#8217;t need it. I <a href="../../cmon-gmail-give-me-language-filtering-to-stop-spam-92">blogged  about wanting</a> a feature like this back in 2006. It still doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Among other things, I searched for any Twitter notifications that I&#8217;d  received. I had thousands of these. Wiping these out saved much more space than  I was expecting. That got me thinking about all the other &#8220;useless&#8221; mail I&#8217;ve  got stored from over the years, things I really don&#8217;t need to save. How much do  they consume?</p>
<p><strong>The Useless Mail</strong></p>
<p>While I can pay for more space and probably will soon, I&#8217;ve kept to a free  account over the past few weeks so that I could study the situation more. Every  few days, I&#8217;ve looked at my mail to understand how much has come in, what I  could free up and figure if I&#8217;m staying ahead of the space I&#8217;ve been given or  falling behind.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s take today. When I logged in, my account had used 7,240 MB  of space used, out of a total 7,365 MB allowed &#8212; 98% of it. That means since I last  went in, I&#8217;d picked up 74MB in new email.</p>
<p>74MB! In that same period, Gmail had given me 4MB of new space &#8212; just 5% of  what I&#8217;d gained. So much for infinity plus one.</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m just unusual, right? Maybe, but maybe not so much. To clear space,  here&#8217;s what I did:</p>
<ul>
<li>Killed about 300 Twitter &amp; FriendFeed notifications (message about  people following me or taking my feed). That freed 4MB of space.</li>
<li>Cleared 2,250 spam messages, freeing up 45MB of space.</li>
<li>Deleted 100 email reports from Google Analytics for five different web sites  I watch going back to mid-July, freeing 8MB of space.</li>
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<p>Doing these things still left me using 20MB of space more than I was on Sept.  9, a net loss versus the 4MB of space Google had given me in that same time  period.</p>
<p>Every few days, I&#8217;ve gone through this type of routine, sometimes  aggressively. Here are a few more stats to illustrate some of the &#8220;dumb&#8221; or  &#8220;useless&#8221; email, as I call it, that has taken up space:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Facebook/Twitter/FriendFeed/LinkedIn Notifications:</strong> Virtually none of  these are useful a few days after they&#8217;re received. Searching for common words  would often find hundred of these messages over the years the first time I&#8217;d  look. Even after clearing them out, I&#8217;d find plenty more new ones had been  received. Very roughly, 100 of these can equal about 1MB of space.</li>
<li><strong>WordPress Backups:</strong> I watch over two blogs on WordPress and each week  get emailed a backup. Handy! But two weeks worth of these for me equaled 7MB of  space. Once a new one comes in, I really don&#8217;t need the old one &#8212; much less one  from weeks ago. They just eat space, but because I have (or thought I had) so  much space, I didn&#8217;t think much about receiving them.</li>
<li><strong>Google Analytics Reports:</strong> Getting regular reports by email are  awesome, but as noted above, they take up space. Since I have access to Google  Analytics itself, I really don&#8217;t need these in the long term.</li>
<li><strong>Business Newsletters:</strong> Killing 150 &#8220;Inside Apple&#8221; newsletters since  2005 saved 4MB of space. Wiping out 200 Amazon Store newsletters saved 10MB of  space. Build-A-Bear has sent me 110 offer emails since 2007. Major League  Baseball has sent me 80 in the same period. I had 100 notifications that my  credit card statement was ready from my credit card company going back to 2006.  30 message from Tickets Now back to March of this year. I could go on, and some  of these counts are low (because the initial count Gmail returns for a search  often rises as you go to the second page). The bottom line is virtually none of  this email is useful to me in the long-term, yet it takes up more space than  you&#8217;d imagine.</li>
<li><strong>Inbox Busters: </strong>A PR person sent me a pitch with a 1MB attachment,  worth 3 days of &#8220;new&#8221; space from Gmail. No warning, and not relevant to what I  cover. The same person sent me a 0.5MB logo attachment a few weeks before.  Someone sent me a bug report with a 7MB screenshot attached. 7MB! Someone I  don&#8217;t know, who somehow put me on some email list I&#8217;m not interested in, which sent me  a 4.5MB image. Someone pitching to speak at a conference sent me a 7MB  presentation with their email. Wipe out all &#8220;dumb&#8221; email you want &#8212; things  like these dwarf those savings.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>What To Do?</strong></p>
<p>Like I said, this isn&#8217;t a crisis for most people. I also know I&#8217;m an usual  case. But I think things will get worse for more people over time, largely  because we just don&#8217;t think much about what we email.</p>
<p>In the bad old days of dial-up, you&#8217;d never send someone a 1MB file out of  the blue. Just shoving it down the pipes would take forever. Now we don&#8217;t think  twice. We certainly don&#8217;t think that this file is eating up 3 days worth of  Gmail quota.</p>
<p>Email messages themselves have increased in size, as HTML email has become  more common. All those business emails can add up.</p>
<p>Notifications that are so handy can get out of control. They&#8217;re like hundreds  of little cuts to your quota. They serve no use in the long term, but they sure  consume space collectively.</p>
<p>I know I can just pay to get more email on Google. Yahoo says it has <a href="http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/tools/tools-08.html">unlimited  email</a>, <a href="http://ycorpblog.com/2007/03/27/yahoo-mail-goes-to-infinity-and-beyond/">announced</a> in 2007, so I could move over there, if I really wanted to be cheap.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not about being cheap. It&#8217;s just more amazement, I guess, at how  when you open things up with seemingly no limits, suddenly conservation gets  lost. Maybe there&#8217;s no reason for email conservation. Perhaps storage will keep  getting cheaper, and none of this will matter especially versus the time it  takes to conserve. But it still nags at me. I&#8217;m just that way, I guess.</p>
<p><strong>Gmail Suggestions</strong></p>
<p>Meanwhile for Google, some suggestions:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say you&#8217;ll never need to delete on the Gmail home page, since that&#8217;s  clearly not true. Modify it, advertise it accurately.</p>
<p>Sort By Size. It&#8217;s overdue. Offer it now.</p>
<p>Filter By Language. Why are we still waiting for this?</p>
<p>Consider an option that might understand all those &#8220;dumb&#8221; emails that we get,  those special offers from stores, those Twitter notifications, pingback  notifications and so on. Maybe sense when we have a lot of these from one  particular source and ask us if we want to delete them.</p>
<p>Related, if we unsubscribe using your new <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/unsubscribing-made-easy.html">auto-unsubscribe  feature</a>, perhaps search for related emails when we do this and ask if we  want them deleted. And let us unsubscribe without having to use the spam button  to do this. That makes no sense at all.</p>
<p>Finally, don&#8217;t get me wrong. I love Gmail. It&#8217;s a great service, and I&#8217;m very  happy with it. It&#8217;s just through an accident of being unable to upgrade, I got a  close-up view of how much storage all those emails I get consume.</p>
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		<title>Using Email Clients To Get To Gmail When Gmail Goes Down</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twitter&#8217;s all buzzing with the news that Gmail and Google-hosted mail through Google Apps has gone down. The Google Apps status page also confirms it. The thing is, it&#8217;s not down if you use an email client that pulls information in via POP or IMAP protocols. I&#8217;m happily still getting my mail &#8212; and you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Twitter&#8217;s all <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=gmail">buzzing</a> with the news that Gmail and Google-hosted mail through Google Apps has gone down. The <a href="http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en">Google Apps status page</a> also confirms it. The thing is, it&#8217;s not down if you use an email client that pulls information in via POP or IMAP protocols. I&#8217;m happily still getting my mail &#8212; and you can too. Tips below.</p>
<p>Personally, I use Outlook 2007 to download my email from a Google Apps account. This allows me to have full, dependable offline access. It allows me to periodically backup and archive my mail, protection against the rare case where Google might somehow delete my mail on their servers. It allows me to have easy access to search mail back for half a decade. To understand more, I recommend these posts I&#8217;ve written:</p>
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<li><a title="Permanent link to Moving From SpamCop To Gmail &amp; Loving POP Download With Archiving" rel="bookmark" href="../../moving-from-spamcop-to-gmail-loving-pop-download-with-archiving-48">Moving From SpamCop To Gmail &amp; Loving POP Download With Archiving</a></li>
<li><a title="Permanent link to 8 Tips For Dealing With Email Overload" rel="bookmark" href="../../8-tips-for-dealing-with-email-overload-428">8 Tips For Dealing With Email Overload</a></li>
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<p>At the moment, Gmail has gone down for those trying to reach it via the web. But anyone trying to get their email through a client &#8212; a software program that automatically talks to the Gmail servers &#8212; seems to be fine. I&#8217;ve had people on Twitter report getting access through their iPhones, BlackBerries, instant messaging and even Google&#8217;s iGoogle personalized home page. So you can, too!</p>
<p>Gmail provides full instructions on how to configure a number of email clients <a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=12103">here</a>. Some of these programs are completely free to use. You can also try <a href="http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop.html">Yahoo&#8217;s Zimbra Desktop</a>, which can handle multiple email accounts. Even though that&#8217;s not listed with explicit instructions from Google, use the &#8220;Other&#8221; option for advice on how to configure it. The same is true for any email client that&#8217;s not listed. <a href="http://www.pmail.com/">Pegasus Mail</a>, anyone?</p>
<p>Downloading a client too much work? I liked Josh Finkelstein&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/jfinklink/status/3696797117">suggestion</a> that if you have an iGoogle page, you can get your mail that way. You&#8217;ll find the Gmail gadget to that <a href="http://www.google.com/ig/directory?type=gadgets&amp;url=www.google.com/ig/modules/builtin_gmail.xml">here</a>. With one click, I had access to my Gmail account. However, this won&#8217;t give access to those who use Gmail through Google Apps (I have both, a Gmail account from before Google Apps accounts were offered. <a href="http://daggle.com/merging-gmail-google-apps-mail-accounts-345">Merging Gmail &amp; Google Apps Mail Accounts</a> explains this more).</p>
<p>Remember, some free web-based email systems like Yahoo&#8217;s can import from other web programs (though you might have to pay for this). That&#8217;s also an option. Still, it&#8217;s why I ideally would like Google to offer its own lightweight email client, as I covered in my <a href="../../google-learn-browser-568">Google Needs To Learn Browser Isn’t Best</a> post. Sometimes the web goes down, but the web is only part of the internet. A client provides a nice backup.</p>
<p>Got your own tips? Please add them below!</p>
<p><strong>Postscript:</strong> Google&#8217;s <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/todays-gmail-problems.html">just blogged</a> about the issue &#8212; and look there, advice that POP/IMAP access works just fine!</p>
<blockquote><p>We know many of you are having trouble accessing Gmail right now — we are too, and we definitely feel your pain. We don&#8217;t usually post about minor issues here (the <a href="http://www.google.com/appsstatus">Apps status dashboard</a> and the <a href="http://mail.google.com/support/">Gmail Help Center</a> are usually where this kind of information goes). Because this is impacting so many of you, we wanted to let you know we&#8217;re currently looking into the issue and hope to have more info to share here shortly. If you have <a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=75725">IMAP</a> or <a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=10350">POP</a> set up already, you should be able to access your mail that way in the meantime. We&#8217;re terribly sorry for the inconvenience and will get Gmail back up and running as soon as possible.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Also see related discussion <a href="http://techmeme.com/#a090901p78">on Techmeme</a>.</p>
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		<title>Google Needs To Learn Browser Isn&#8217;t Best</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago, my computer crashed. Suddenly, I was fully living in the cloud, depending on Gmail for my email, Google Calendar for my calendar, until I could get Outlook up and running again. And I realized that despite Google wanting the browser to be the interface to everything, software applications still have a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>A few weeks ago, my computer crashed. Suddenly, I was fully living in the cloud, depending on Gmail for my email, Google Calendar for my calendar, until I could get Outlook up and running again. And I realized that despite Google wanting the browser to be the interface to everything, software applications still have a place &#8212; with Twitter being a <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2009/04/twitter_clients_playground">case in point</a>.</p>
<p>Plenty of people start off using Twitter on the web. But as you get into it, you realize how much better your experience is when you use a dedicated application like <a href="http://www.twhirl.org/">Twhirl</a> or <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">Tweetdeck</a>. Light and easy to install, they provide many features that Twitter on the web does not. They also provide a better user experience for those who want to interact with Twitter.</p>
<p>That brings me back to Gmail. I love Outlook. It&#8217;s an outstanding email / contact manager / calendar client. But it&#8217;s heavy, and it&#8217;s a pain when you need to reinstall it. It doesn&#8217;t remember all those account settings you have, how you want your email to display, signatures for your email, what &#8220;day of the week&#8221; you want your calendar to start on and so forth.</p>
<p>So why not shift fully to Gmail, which remembers everything? The &#8220;client&#8221; in the browser is still clunky. Sometimes I want to open several &#8220;email windows.&#8221; Or with Google Calendar, I want to see a month at-a-time with that meaning four weeks, not literally a particular month. Most important, I use multiple Google accounts. If I sign into Gmail with one, I&#8217;m stuck with that, having to sign-out into another. (<a href="http://daggle.com/moving-from-spamcop-to-gmail-loving-pop-download-with-archiving-48">Moving From SpamCop To Gmail &amp; Loving POP Download With Archiving</a> explains more about why I like Outlook as a client to Gmail).</p>
<p>A Gmail client would solve this. I&#8217;d be able to log into my main Gmail account without worrying about whatever else was going on with my browser. Those who worry about Google tracking them when logged in would be especially reassured by a client. Plus, I suspect a better user interface could be crafted. (I could use Yahoo&#8217;s <a href="http://www.zimbra.com/">Zimbra</a>, I suppose, but I found it also kind of heavy).</p>
<p>With few exceptions, Google doesn&#8217;t provide apps for its software (<a href="http://picasa.google.com/">Picasa</a> and <a href="http://earth.google.com/">Google Earth</a> are examples of those exceptions). Google pushes the <a href="http://www.google.com/chrome">Chrome</a> browser because it fully believes that the browser is the way forward when it comes to software applications &#8212; those applications will live in the cloud, and the browser will be the universal user interface.</p>
<p>I hope Google thinks beyond the browser, Chrome or another. Using <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/air/">Adobe AIR</a> or anything that can give me and others a lightweight, multi-platform application that can access our cloud data (and our preferred user settings). The browser can remain a universal backup, but for many, I think custom applications still can enhance the user experience.</p>
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		<title>Gmail Suddenly Dumps Ton Of Spam Into My Inbox</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep my inbox pretty clean, and Gmail does an excellent job at prevent spam from even reaching it. That&#8217;s why I was stunned about a half-hour ago to discover that suddenly, Outlook was downloading over 1,000 new messages that fortunately were then being routed to my spam folder. What was going on? I did [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="../../090127-193705.html">I keep my inbox pretty clean</a>,  and Gmail does an excellent job at prevent spam from even reaching it. That&#8217;s  why I was stunned about a half-hour ago to discover that suddenly, Outlook was  downloading over 1,000 new messages that fortunately were then being routed to  my spam folder.</p>
<p>What was going on? I did a quick search and discovered that today&#8217;s <a href="http://searchengineland.com/google-gets-fearful-flags-entire-internet-as-malware-briefly-16387"> malware incident</a> that hit Google web search also impacted Gmail accounts  (including, I&#8217;d assume, those using Gmail through Google Apps, like me).</p>
<p>Google <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/this-mornings-spam-filter-issue.html"> says</a> that by mistake, some legit messages might have gone into your spam  folder, so to look closely and make sure nothing important is there. They added  that an automated fix was being rolled out.</p>
<p>I suspect what just hit me was that Google took everything that was in my  spam folder (typically I might have 2,000 messages or more here accumulate in a  few days), rolled it into my inbox and then planned to reprocess my inbox  according to the new spam filter. Just guesswork here. But it resulted in spam  that normally I&#8217;d never download starting to flow into Outlook.</p>
<p>My quick solution was to filter my Gmail inbox to find unread messages, since  it was pretty much only spam that wasn&#8217;t previously read. Then I deleted all  those, refiltered by unread, deleted and kept rinsing and repeating. Eventually,  after about 20 cycles of this, I caught back up to only &#8220;read&#8221; mail &#8212; which  matches probably the last time I used the &#8220;Delete all spam messages now&#8221; option.</p>
<p>Hard to say what&#8217;s best. Personally, I&#8217;d say review your spam folder right  now, make sure there&#8217;s no spam in it, then use the &#8220;Delete all&#8221; option to clear  it out and avoid Google perhaps moving all that spam into your inbox, assuming  this is indeed something that they&#8217;re rolling across accounts.</p>
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		<title>8 Tips For Dealing With Email Overload</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago, I remember having like 400 email messages in my inbox and feeling completely overwhelmed. I wanted to get through them all but then did the math. If I spent only one minute answering each email, that was going to take an entire day. And more would come in, plus I knew [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>A few years ago, I remember having like 400 email messages in my inbox and  feeling completely overwhelmed. I wanted to get through them all but then did  the math. If I spent only one minute answering each email, that was going to  take an entire day. And more would come in, plus I knew many of them were going  to take much longer than a minute to deal with.</p>
<p>Email can still be overwhelming, at times. But usually I keep my inbox in the  50 to 75 messages range (it&#8217;s 53 right now). Over the years, I&#8217;ve tried a  variety of strategies that have seemed to help. I thought I&#8217;d share some of  them.</p>
<p><strong>1) Deal With It Immediately:</strong> When I get an email, I try to answer it  as fast as I can. That doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m constantly checking and trying to deal  with the newest stuff. Instead, it&#8217;s more a &#8220;touch it once&#8221; strategy. Try to  respond when you see an email for the first time, whenever you get to it, and  it&#8217;s done. If you save it for later, you&#8217;re wasting time twice. Or three times.  And so on and so on.</p>
<p><strong>2) Let It Sit: </strong>You can&#8217;t deal with everything immediately. You can&#8217;t  deal with all the email and requests you receive at all, in many cases. So some  stuff you&#8217;ll pass by. A day goes by. Two, three and more. Eventually, that email  is so old that either (A) whatever was so important turned out not to be or (B)  if it was that important, you&#8217;ll get a new email about it. Let go. Allow time to  deal with some of your current email woes.</p>
<p>Of course, I still try to get through  everything. It&#8217;s kind of sucky when I get to some question that may have taken  me a month to finally answer, only to find that the person who sent it didn&#8217;t  use a working address or has since found a solution to their problem.</p>
<p><strong>3) Don&#8217;t Send Unless You Have To: </strong>This is sort of a corollary to Let  It Sit, and it&#8217;s more a plea to anyone who sends email than those who trying to  deal with it. Did you really need to ask someone something? I love feedback, and  I really love to help people and answer questions as best I can. But it&#8217;s a  timesuck if someone sends out the same question to 5 or 10 different people.  You make time to respond, only to get back &#8220;Oh, so and so answered me.&#8221; Or  worse, &#8220;Oh, I did a search and found what I was looking for.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>4) Pick Up The Damn Phone: </strong>Got yourself in an email conversation  that&#8217;s now going into its fourth or fifth round? There&#8217;s this thing called the  phone. It&#8217;s over 100 years old, and it really works well at this concept of  two-way conversation. There&#8217;s no need to have an Earth-Mars timelag in our  conversations. At some point, email ceases to be the best way to communicate.  Call people.</p>
<p><strong>5) Clear The Clutter:</strong> One nice thing about Outlook is how it will  group things by date. Of the 53 messages currently in my inbox, 14 are grouped as  &#8220;Today.&#8221; I&#8217;ll try to work on those tomorrow, and get through as many as I can.  Another 5 are flagged as &#8220;Yesterday,&#8221; then 2 as &#8220;Last Week,&#8221; then 6 as &#8220;Two  Weeks Ago&#8221; and so on. At the bottom of my inbox, there are about another 16  tagged as &#8220;Older.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chances are, I won&#8217;t catch up to those older things. Some of them have just  gotten too dusty. My oldest message is from June 2007, from Matt Cutts, about  some Google issue I still mean to catch-up on. That&#8217;s nearly a year-and-a-half  old now. I&#8217;ll probably never get to it, and if I do, it probably won&#8217;t still be  relevant. I really should just delete the dang thing &#8212; along with some of the  others. Save me some time; saves Matt some time (<a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/changing-how-i-handle-emails/">he&#8217;s got his own email issues and tips</a>)</p>
<p>Outlook effectively clears the clutter for me by shoving everything like this automatically into the &#8220;Older&#8221; group. But if you&#8217;re using Gmail, try an alternative I used to use with Outlook. Make a folder for each month. Go on, right now, make these:</p>
<ul>
<li>December 2008</li>
<li>November 2008</li>
<li>October 2008</li>
<li>September 2008 &amp; Older</li>
</ul>
<p>Now go to your inbox. Anything from December 2008? Shove it into the December  folder. November to November, October to October and all the rest &#8212; shove it  into September 2008 &amp; Older.</p>
<p>Now look at your inbox. Feeling a bit better, seeing less there? Hopefully,  at least, you feel less overwhelmed. I know, I know &#8212; but there&#8217;s all that  email you have to answer, that you&#8217;re just hiding!</p>
<p>Yes, you are. But remember the Let It Sit rule. If it&#8217;s crucial, you&#8217;ll get  fresh message about it. Meanwhile, in the back of your mind, you can  subconsciously relax that you really do expect to get into those various month  folders and deal with the older email. You won&#8217;t! But let yourself believe it,  and you&#8217;ll can hopefully get more functional with the stuff you really can deal  with.</p>
<p><strong>6) Pray For A Virus:</strong> Not for you, of course. For others. Seriously,  email viruses are great. When they go around, folks stop sending an email, and  it&#8217;s catch-up time! Or email holiday time.</p>
<p><strong>7) Categorize:</strong> I used to be a big categorized folder nut. I&#8217;d have  folders for all different types of projects (and in Gmail, you can label stuff  to do the same). I&#8217;m not so big on that now, mainly because I&#8217;ve gotten a better  handle on my inbox over the years. I realized shoving stuff in a particular  project folder meant I probably wouldn&#8217;t get to it. But in a few cases, it can  be helpful.</p>
<p><strong>8 ) Use Gmail For Searching</strong>: <a href="../../080323-175748.html">Merging Gmail &amp; Google Apps Mail  Accounts</a> and <a href="../../080407-084751.html">The Great Gmail  Import &amp; My Short Life With Web-Based Mail</a> have some background on what I do  with Gmail (<a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-in-labs-offline-gmail.html">now with offline support</a>! &#8212; and <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/090127/p96#a090127p96">more here</a>). But the short story is this. All my mail runs through Gmail  (actually, through <a href="http://www.google.com/apps/">Google Apps</a>, which  has the benefit of solving what I covered in my  <a href="../../060131-134544.html">Gmail&#8217;s &#8220;Custom From&#8221; System  Messed Up By &#8220;On Behalf Of&#8221; Headers</a> post).</p>
<p>From Gmail, I download into Outlook (which automatically archives a copy in Gmail). That gives me a backup in case Google  from some reason loses all my mail. It also gives me a tool that I find handles  my email needs much better. But if I need to find a particular message? I fire  up my browser, hit Gmail, and within seconds can locate whatever I want in the 155,000  archived emails I have stretching back to 2004.</p>
<p>Being able to search like this has greatly reduced my need to file and store  email within Outlook. I just don&#8217;t worry about that, any longer. And if you&#8217;re  not spending time trying to find email, you have a bit more time to deal with  it.</p>
<p>Happy emailing. Or not emailing!</p>
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		<title>The Great Gmail Import &amp; My Short Life With Web-Based Mail</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[About two weeks ago, I dived in to merge two years worth of mail from one Gmail account to my existing Google Apps mail account. I wanted to cover how it went and how it caused me inadvertently to abandon my cherished desktop client, Outlook, for two weeks. No, it didn&#8217;t make me a web-based [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>About two weeks ago, I dived in to merge two years worth of mail from one  Gmail account to my existing <a href="https://www.google.com/a/">Google Apps</a> mail account. I wanted to cover how it went and how it caused me inadvertently  to abandon my cherished desktop client, Outlook, for two weeks. No, it didn&#8217;t  make me a web-based email convert. But perhaps it might down the line.</p>
<p><a href="../../080323-175748.html">Merging Gmail &amp; Google Apps  Mail Accounts</a> is my previous post covering some of the discoveries I made  when combining the two accounts. I had no idea it would ultimately take 12 days  to complete. During that time, I had to shift to using only web mail because any  attempt to download only &#8220;new&#8221; mail caused hundreds &#8212; thousands! &#8212; of imported  messages to be seen as new by Outlook.</p>
<p>Coincidentally, the Gmail blog just posted <a href="http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/tips-for-importing-old-email-to-gmail.html"> Tips for importing old email to Gmail</a> noting, &#8220;It might take a while for  Gmail to fetch everything from your old account&#8230;.&#8221; Indeed, 12 days? I know, I  had over two years worth of mail. But both accounts are hosted by Google. There  should be a much easier, efficient way to combine two accounts without having to  go through POP downloads.</p>
<p>I covered some of the glitches already, but here are some additional ones:</p>
<p><strong>Watch spam carefully! </strong>All new mail brought in is reassessed through  Gmail&#8217;s spam filters. This is kind of odd. If you didn&#8217;t tag it as spam the  first time, why reevaluate it and risk false positives?</p>
<p>Surely there wouldn&#8217;t be many false positives. After all, I <a href="../../060120-112335.html">extensively tested Gmail spam  filtering</a> when I switched over to it back in 2006. Part of the reason I  moved was that false positives were minor. These days, when I get several  hundred spam messages per day, I routinely hit that &#8220;Delete all spam messages  now&#8221; link to wipe out thousands of spam mail without a second glance. I trust  Gmail that much.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t. Don&#8217;t trust it that much with imported email. I found it was nabbing  hundreds of messages that I myself sent as spam, stuff that by no means was. I  found many other important messages from others being nabbed by the filters. I  wish I&#8217;d more closely reviewed the spam messages earlier as they came in. I only  realized so many false positives were happening about midway through the  process.</p>
<p>FYI, of the 90,000 messages I imported, it looks like about 20,000 of them  were indeed spam that didn&#8217;t get caught the first time they were seen by Gmail.  So there is a plus to the second run in spam filtering. But it has its  downsides.</p>
<p>As part of this, I found myself amazed again that over two years since <a href="../../060119-123011.html">I last complained</a> about it,  you apparently still cannot whitelist people in Gmail. Insane. C&#8217;mon, Gmail, get  with it. How hard is it to allow people to create whilelists for mail that  shouldn&#8217;t be filtered. Did I miss this somewhere? And how about an option to  simply filter out any email in non-Latin languages. Trust me &#8212; anything sent to  me in Chinese is spam or something I don&#8217;t need to see. I don&#8217;t speak Chinese.  Let me filter it out. You know, like I <a href="../../060119-123011.html">asked for</a> two years ago. And <a href="../../060713-154624.html">still no ability</a> to see more  than 100 items at a time? Sigh.</p>
<p><strong>The mail that won&#8217;t die.</strong> For some reason, I had about 300 messages  that refused to be archived or go away. I ended up downloading them to Outlook  yet they continued to stay on the server as if they were new. Well, 300 messages  out of 90,000 imported ain&#8217;t bad. Ultimately, I deleted them. It was the only  way forward.</p>
<p>Moving on, I wanted to talk a bit about using web-based email. It&#8217;s weird to  me, OK? I live in Outlook. Like if you don&#8217;t email me so that it reached  Outlook, you don&#8217;t exist. I do everything through Outlook in terms of my  scheduling, action items and so on. FYI, if you send me Facebook mail, there&#8217;s a  very good chance I&#8217;ll never, ever get back to you. Hey, I&#8217;m swamped with regular  email. Facebook mail is like a second disaster zone for me. Send me real email!  But you know, don&#8217;t. Nah, it&#8217;s OK, &#8212; I&#8217;m actually pretty good at managing a  heavy email load. Expect a future post later.</p>
<p>So I know people who swear by web-based email, seem to fly along with it just  fine, and more power to them. But for me, it just felt strange. Suddenly, I  found myself stuck in the world of web-based email, since it was impossible to  download into Outlook. How&#8217;d I like it?</p>
<p>Better than I thought. OK, it was kind of nice being able to archive  messages, assign multiple labels to them instead of having them exist in only  one folder and so on. I did get used to it.</p>
<p><strong>Give me offline functionality!</strong> Still, I&#8217;m not a convert. Most  important, I need my email portable. I just did an eleven hour flight. I had 25  messages in my Gmail inbox. I couldn&#8217;t get them into Outlook. I couldn&#8217;t access  them on the plane. And the fast save I did of a few messages in HTML turned out  to not save anything at all. No offline email, no conversion for me. End of  story.</p>
<p>Yes, lots of Google products are going to offline functionality. But Google  Gears doesn&#8217;t seem to have given that to Gmail yet. Way back, there <a href="http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/05/google-gears-offline-functionality-for.html"> was a mention</a> that you could read your most recent Gmail messages using  Google Gears, but I haven&#8217;t played with that nor seen many talking about it as a  serious way to use Gmail offline.</p>
<p><strong>IMAP&#8217;s Kind Of Cool. </strong>I&#8217;ve used POP to get my email for years. When  Gmail announced IMAP support, well, yawn. I didn&#8217;t get it. Just before I started  the merge process, I enabled IMAP thinking it was time to grow up. Instead, I  freaked out. I had all these folders I didn&#8217;t understand, each corresponding I  learned later to a label on the server. I hit the root folder out of habit and  was told it wasn&#8217;t accessible. Overall, things just didn&#8217;t feel right. I went  back to POP.</p>
<p>Tonight, I really need to get those 30 or so messages in my Inbox in Gmail  into Outlook. Another flight, you see &#8212; this time a 16 hour jump from LA to  Sydney tomorrow for <a href="http://www.searchmarketingexpo.com.au/">SMX Sydney</a>.  The problem is, after the mega import, Outlook won&#8217;t download them through POP.  It thinks they&#8217;ve already been downloaded. Time to see if this whole IMAP two  way thing works.</p>
<p>Cool, it did! Enabling it let me get those messages that were trapped on the  server. But the problem it, it also wants to bring over all the messages  associated with them in a conversation. Hey, I don&#8217;t need all those other  messages, and bringing them explodes my nice neat Inbox from 30 messages to over  100. Argh!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I added a number of labels as part of the import process I went  through. One was called ME NOT SPAM, to list any email sent from myself in my  old account. There&#8217;s nearly 3,000 messages tagged like this in Gmail. And now I  have a folder matching it in Outlook. And if I dare click on that folder,  Outlook tries to download all of them. Gads, imagine what that will do to my PST  file.</p>
<p>Overall, I kind of like what IMAP in Gmail might offer. I can learn to avoid  clicking on labels that will bring up too many messages. And having labels that  can correspond to the Outlook folders I use might be kind of nice. Plus, it  offers a way to potentially get around the offline problem. But for now, I&#8217;m  going back to POP. You know, the email POP, not POP goes my heart (Music &amp;  Lyrics, great movie, check out the clip below!)</p>
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<p><strong>NO BACKUP! </strong> I realized that over the past two weeks, I have no  offline copy of what I&#8217;ve sent using Gmail. I&#8217;ve heard the rare horror story of  someone that lost their hosted data (video, pictures, email, whatever). I&#8217;ve  never worried much about such stories because I always have an offline copy of  my data, most especially email. But for the first time, some of my email only  resides with Google&#8217;s servers. Long may they wave. But the ability to download  and backup on a regular basis is vital.</p>
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		<title>Merging Gmail &amp; Google Apps Mail Accounts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve had a Gmail account since the day they were first offered, back in April 2004. Then at the end of 2006, I opened up a new Google-hosted mail account under my own domain name using Google Apps, which I highly recommend. It provided me with all the great archiving and spam filtering that made [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I&#8217;ve had a <a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/">Gmail</a> account since the day they were first offered, back in April 2004.  Then at the end of 2006, I opened up a new Google-hosted mail account under my own domain name using <a href="https://www.google.com/a/">Google Apps</a>, which I  highly recommend. It provided me with all the great archiving and spam filtering  that made me move to Gmail, plus it solved the <a href="../../060131-134544.html">Gmail Custom From</a> issue that  I&#8217;ve written about before.</p>
<p>The only downside is that all my mail from 2004 through  2006 is in my old Gmail account, which is a pain if I  need to look up some old software registration number  (bringing up my repaired desktop today, I&#8217;ve been having to do a lot of this).  First I&#8217;ll usually check my existing mail account,  then I&#8217;ll go over and check my &#8220;old&#8221; mail in Gmail. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice  if I could move all the email from the old account to the new one?</p>
<p>Well, you can. It&#8217;s not even new, but it&#8217;s been on my mind since Matt Cutts  reminded me of the option with his <a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/9-power-tips-for-gmail/">11 Power Tips  For Gmail</a> blog post earlier this year. I explored a few more posts offering  advice, and Google Operating System probably has the <a href="http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/12/screenshots-of-gmails-mail-fetcher.html"> best write-up</a> I found. So how did it go for me?</p>
<p>Slow would be the best description. But I&#8217;ve got a lot of mail. My old Gmail  account has 3GB of mail, or 90,542 messages. On Saturday afternoon my time, I  configured it to allow downloading all mail via POP, even mail that&#8217;s already  been downloaded. And away it went, slowly pulling across 200 messages every two  minutes.</p>
<p>Hmm. Whipping out the old calculator, that means about 450 &#8220;fetches&#8221; of 200  messages each to get all my mail. Two minutes per fetch, that&#8217;s 900 minutes or  15 hours. A long time, but it should be done by now, right?</p>
<p>Nope. Sometime last night, despite Google talking to Google, there was a  timeout error. I had to restart the process today. How&#8217;s it stand?</p>
<p>To figure it out, first I&#8217;d go to my All Mail option in my new account, then  click Oldest and click my way back on the Newer link until I saw the gap between  old mail that came in (dated in 2004) and existing mail (which began at the end  of 2006). To go faster, I&#8217;d just change the number after P in the URL to jump  ahead, say from P511 to P475.</p>
<p>After a full day, I&#8217;ve gotten to June 2004. Two months. That&#8217;s it. That  leaves me with 16 months or so to go. I sure hope it speeds up.</p>
<p>I also discovered a number of issues. First, despite the mail coming in under  the old date and being immediately archived, my mail program thinks some of it  is new and wants to download it. For example, if I try to POP download now,  there are 305 messages that Outlook would pull across, if I let it &#8212; and all of  these from April, May and June 2004.</p>
<p>This is a pain. To stop it, I have to go into Settings, then to Forwarding &amp;  POP/IMAP, then change to Enable POP for mail that arrives from now on. If I do  that, voila! Those 305 messages are treated as old by Outlook, and it doesn&#8217;t  try to download them. Unfortunately, more messages keep coming in. So it&#8217;s rinse  and repeat &#8212; you have to keep going back and enabling that &#8220;arrives from now  on&#8221; setting, since it will magically reset itself back to enable download of all  mail since whatever is the oldest date it has fetched (at the moment, after just  doing this, it has set itself to May 15, 2004).</p>
<p>The other problem is that any real &#8220;new&#8221; email you want won&#8217;t get pulled into  your Outlook client, if you do this. Fortunately, the weekend has been quiet.  I&#8217;ve mainly been getting messages about people subscribing to <a href="http://twitter.com/dannysullivan">my Twitter feed</a>. As a sidenote,  there&#8217;s been such a rise in activity that I feel real pressure to be a more  interesting Twitterer. I&#8217;ll try! Plus, with Jason Calacanis <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2008/03/17/macbook-air-giveaway-in-about-5-10-days-im-thinking/"> going all out</a> to be a top Twitterer as rated by <a href="http://twitterholic.com/">Twitterholic</a>, I&#8217;m thinking hey &#8212; only  700 more people and I could crack the top 100. So tell a friend, at least if you  want a search person up there. But sorry, I have no Macbook Air to give away.</p>
<p>I digress. So new mail has been slow, but at least I can see the &#8220;real&#8221; new  mail showing up when I log into my account using the web interface. To be clear,  if I do a POP download, some of the &#8220;old&#8221; mail shows up as &#8220;new&#8221; despite being  dated from back in 2004 plus any real new mail shows up as well. But in the web  interface, only that new mail is showing up in my Inbox, probably because the  imported mail is set to automatically be archived.</p>
<p>So my workaround? It looks like I&#8217;m going to be using the web interface a lot  over the next few days, until this import process completes.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another tip. A faster way to see how far things are along is to go to  your old account, the one you&#8217;re importing from. Go to Forwarding &amp; POP/IMAP,  then look at the POP download section. The status line above the options should  say that POP is enabled for all mail that has arrived from a particular date &#8212;  and that date will get newer as the export process to your old account  continues.</p>
<p><strong>Postscript:</strong> One last observation. It&#8217;s amazing to watch how much Gmail&#8217;s spam filters have improved over the years. Hundreds of imported emails that previously came to my old Gmail account as not spam are not being nabbed by the spam filter as the import process reexamines each email. For the record, my current account had about 51,000 messages before the process began. When it&#8217;s over, I&#8217;ll be able to tell how much of that imported email turned out to be spam.</p>
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		<title>Gmail POP Troubleshooter Utility Released</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For whatever reason, I couldn&#8217;t get some of my messages from Outlook to actually send through Gmail this weekend. I went through the various things I&#8217;ve tried when this has happened in the past and settled on the solution of deleting my Gmail account settings and entering them anew into Outlook. When I went to [...]]]></description>
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<p>For whatever reason, I couldn&#8217;t get some of my messages from Outlook to<br />
actually send through Gmail this weekend. I went through the<br />
<a href="http://daggle.com/email.html">various things</a> I&#8217;ve<br />
tried when this has happened in the past and settled on the<br />
<a href="http://daggle.com/060120-115348.html">solution</a> of<br />
deleting my Gmail account settings and entering them anew into Outlook. When I went to get<br />
the right settings from <a href="http://gmail.google.com/support/">Gmail help</a>,<br />
I came across a promo for a new<br />
<a href="http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44769">Gmail POP Troubleshooter utility</a> that you can<br />
download from Google. Hallelujah! Poking around, I found that it<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.gg/group/Gmail-Problem-solving/browse_thread/thread/662f22e1f5b38291/215ee22fb5a597fd?hl=en"><br />
rolled out</a> earlier this month.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannysullivan/302279291/" title="Photo Sharing"><br />
<img src="http://static.flickr.com/118/302279291_28d15825a7.jpg" width="500" height="231" alt="Gmail POP Troubleshooter Utility Screenshot" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>Firing up the software, it checked my settings and declared them OK. It  then checked the connection with the Gmail server, then shut down<br />
and disappeared. Along with this, my mail also<br />
started to go out, as a result.</p>
<p>I kept having sending problems for about an hour or two. Each time I ran the<br />
troubleshooter, they went away. I have no idea if the troubleshooter was<br />
actually making some change or it  was all a coincidence, with Gmail perhaps having a slow day. Regardless, the troubleshooter solved the problem, so<br />
I&#8217;ll give it the credit.</p>
<p>Check it out, if you&#8217;re having an issue. I was disappointed that after it<br />
runs, it just shuts down with no summary screen or report of what it found.</p>
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