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		<title>By: Jennel</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/facebooks-microsoft-moment-1556/comment-page-1#comment-29701</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly can&#039;t stand the changes facebook has made half the stuff doesn&#039;t make sense and i feel like i always gotta be on top of the changes they make to ensure none of my private stuff is now viewable by everyone.  And they&#039;ve deleted my account several times for no apparent reason and always send me the same general message when i inquire which has nothing to do with me.  Huh makes you think i do i really need a facebook account after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly can&#8217;t stand the changes facebook has made half the stuff doesn&#8217;t make sense and i feel like i always gotta be on top of the changes they make to ensure none of my private stuff is now viewable by everyone.  And they&#8217;ve deleted my account several times for no apparent reason and always send me the same general message when i inquire which has nothing to do with me.  Huh makes you think i do i really need a facebook account after all?</p>
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		<title>By: mellaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mellaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no mystery to you anymore. With FB, too many people know too much about you already. Why would they be interested when they know everything there is to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no mystery to you anymore. With FB, too many people know too much about you already. Why would they be interested when they know everything there is to know?</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im a pretty big facebook user and it has helped me alot. For instance, I found a company to ship 3 cars to Hong Kong on facebook. Auto Shipping Network and they did an amazing job. But, I do see where you&#039;re coming from. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im a pretty big facebook user and it has helped me alot. For instance, I found a company to ship 3 cars to Hong Kong on facebook. Auto Shipping Network and they did an amazing job. But, I do see where you&#8217;re coming from. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly find it hard to comprehend that people could ever have &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; realized Facebook is evil.   And if you know anything about Zuckerberg, you&#039;d never trust him with &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly find it hard to comprehend that people could ever have <i>not</i> realized Facebook is evil.   And if you know anything about Zuckerberg, you&#8217;d never trust him with <i>anything</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon W.</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/facebooks-microsoft-moment-1556/comment-page-1#comment-18092</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Facebook has gotten way complicated, and I&#039;ve stood over the shoulders of a fairly computer-illiterate person trying to use it (because they are head of an organization that needs it as a publicity resource).    It was dismaying watching them stare at the screen trying to figure out just how to get to, and then respond to a message.   I&#039;m sorry but the user interface is, to put it mildly, inadequate and labyrinthine.

There is no way a typical computer user is going to understand this bewildering array of applications, features, plugins, and privacy settings, much less know, or know how, they can individually tweak each setting in 50 different places.

On an individual level, yes, if you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re doing, don&#039;t use it.  That looks really great in print.  But this attitude way oversimplifies the issue.  Grandma and Grandpa know that this is the best place to keep up with their grandkids, through pictures their children are posting, status updates and links to videos.    My friend who runs his organization needs to make use of as many publicity tools as he can to get the word out about their events.  Facebook has become almost a *necessary* product for publicity, precisely because it&#039;s free and so many people use it.

If you are going to present a service to people, I don&#039;t care what your revenue model is, in my honest opinion, you have an obligation to provide reasonable quality standard in that service.  You have an ethical obligation to provide something that is not misleading, which does not break the law, or which cannot be easily exploited for criminal purposes.  I don&#039;t think anyone is justified in objecting to valid criticism of a service, free or not.    If people don&#039;t ask for what they want, they won&#039;t very likely get it.  If people never complain, service providers will simply assume everything is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Facebook has gotten way complicated, and I&#8217;ve stood over the shoulders of a fairly computer-illiterate person trying to use it (because they are head of an organization that needs it as a publicity resource).    It was dismaying watching them stare at the screen trying to figure out just how to get to, and then respond to a message.   I&#8217;m sorry but the user interface is, to put it mildly, inadequate and labyrinthine.</p>
<p>There is no way a typical computer user is going to understand this bewildering array of applications, features, plugins, and privacy settings, much less know, or know how, they can individually tweak each setting in 50 different places.</p>
<p>On an individual level, yes, if you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re doing, don&#8217;t use it.  That looks really great in print.  But this attitude way oversimplifies the issue.  Grandma and Grandpa know that this is the best place to keep up with their grandkids, through pictures their children are posting, status updates and links to videos.    My friend who runs his organization needs to make use of as many publicity tools as he can to get the word out about their events.  Facebook has become almost a *necessary* product for publicity, precisely because it&#8217;s free and so many people use it.</p>
<p>If you are going to present a service to people, I don&#8217;t care what your revenue model is, in my honest opinion, you have an obligation to provide reasonable quality standard in that service.  You have an ethical obligation to provide something that is not misleading, which does not break the law, or which cannot be easily exploited for criminal purposes.  I don&#8217;t think anyone is justified in objecting to valid criticism of a service, free or not.    If people don&#8217;t ask for what they want, they won&#8217;t very likely get it.  If people never complain, service providers will simply assume everything is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamasauras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamasauras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HELLO!!! If you don&#039;t want someone to know something, don&#039;t post it on a public site! It&#039;s as simple as that! 

I remember back in the pre-computer days when our company admonished us not to talk about clients in elevators or at restaurants because you never know who might be listening in. Same rules apply. Use common sense folks! 

-- Mom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLO!!! If you don&#8217;t want someone to know something, don&#8217;t post it on a public site! It&#8217;s as simple as that! </p>
<p>I remember back in the pre-computer days when our company admonished us not to talk about clients in elevators or at restaurants because you never know who might be listening in. Same rules apply. Use common sense folks! </p>
<p>&#8211; Mom</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puck, I didn&#039;t think you were trolling. But you were clearly being insulting, rather than trying to raise important issues.

Yes, I know Facebook isn&#039;t the social network for me. I said that in this post. It&#039;s just not the place I use. No harm, no foul to Facebook about that -- as I also wrote.

But you&#039;re wrong, Facebook isn&#039;t tailored for that 19 year old college student. It started that way, but it has a very diverse user base that ranges from senior citizens to moms sharing pictures of kids with friends and families. There&#039;s been survey after survey about this. Even Facebook will tell you this is true.

As I said in my post, for me personally, shifting to a fan page is the better way to go. It effectively makes everything I do public, which makes my life simpler. 

As for recommending things being less private, I have a follow up piece from my talk with Facebook when I was in there offices yesterday that will cover this more. They do have some good arguments as to why they feel like people should be less private, or why they felt like some of the setting recommendations reflected the wide distribution people were already doing but perhaps without realizing it.

But no, I don&#039;t care what service you run or how you got started. You should never shift someone from being less private to more, without them fully understanding that. Some people clearly did not get this. And in some cases like friends lists, they weren&#039;t even consulted about how something that was previously tagged as private got shifted unknowingly to public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puck, I didn&#8217;t think you were trolling. But you were clearly being insulting, rather than trying to raise important issues.</p>
<p>Yes, I know Facebook isn&#8217;t the social network for me. I said that in this post. It&#8217;s just not the place I use. No harm, no foul to Facebook about that &#8212; as I also wrote.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re wrong, Facebook isn&#8217;t tailored for that 19 year old college student. It started that way, but it has a very diverse user base that ranges from senior citizens to moms sharing pictures of kids with friends and families. There&#8217;s been survey after survey about this. Even Facebook will tell you this is true.</p>
<p>As I said in my post, for me personally, shifting to a fan page is the better way to go. It effectively makes everything I do public, which makes my life simpler. </p>
<p>As for recommending things being less private, I have a follow up piece from my talk with Facebook when I was in there offices yesterday that will cover this more. They do have some good arguments as to why they feel like people should be less private, or why they felt like some of the setting recommendations reflected the wide distribution people were already doing but perhaps without realizing it.</p>
<p>But no, I don&#8217;t care what service you run or how you got started. You should never shift someone from being less private to more, without them fully understanding that. Some people clearly did not get this. And in some cases like friends lists, they weren&#8217;t even consulted about how something that was previously tagged as private got shifted unknowingly to public.</p>
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		<title>By: puck</title>
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		<dc:creator>puck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is going to be my second, and last comment on this because i&#039;m not trying to troll here. but facebook wasn&#039;t made and isn&#039;t tailored to a professional and private user. facebook is tailored for a 19 year college student that wants her friends to comment and like her photo cause now she&#039;s so pretty after getting her hair did. 

as a few people have commented, it sounds like facebook isn&#039;t the social network for you. maybe i suggest linked in? facebook started because people wanted to share information with others, not share it with a few selected people. so that being a basis as to where it started, it would make sense that facebook would recommend you to be LESS private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is going to be my second, and last comment on this because i&#8217;m not trying to troll here. but facebook wasn&#8217;t made and isn&#8217;t tailored to a professional and private user. facebook is tailored for a 19 year college student that wants her friends to comment and like her photo cause now she&#8217;s so pretty after getting her hair did. </p>
<p>as a few people have commented, it sounds like facebook isn&#8217;t the social network for you. maybe i suggest linked in? facebook started because people wanted to share information with others, not share it with a few selected people. so that being a basis as to where it started, it would make sense that facebook would recommend you to be LESS private.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/facebooks-microsoft-moment-1556/comment-page-1#comment-13208</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Puck, I guess after reading your comment, what I&#039;m getting is that you&#039;re too young to drive and too stupid to understand things. I mean, if you want to get all insulting.

But I&#039;ll treat you like an adult and see if I can explain again some things you might want to consider, which you should have gotten from the article if you&#039;d read it rather than immediately knee-jerked a reaction into the comments.

I&#039;m not that concerned about my privacy on Facebook. Go back and read my previous article that I&#039;ve mentioned twice now: &lt;a href=&quot;http://daggle.com/facebooks-privacy-upgrade-recommends-private-1550&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook’s Privacy Upgrade Recommends I Be Less Private&lt;/a&gt;. I pretty much don&#039;t have private things on it, because as I explained, I&#039;m sharing pretty widely already. 

I am concerned when a major company suggests to millions of user that they &quot;upgrade&quot; their privacy with recommendations that make that privacy less private, which is what happened. Moreover, they actually removed some controls that you had before.

It&#039;s more than 3 minutes to control all these things. They are not centralized in one place. Some of them are not easily understood or explained, as some of the comments here reflect. I&#039;m willing to be you&#039;ve not even reviewed all your settings or are aware of what Facebook might or might not do with your information.

But hey, it&#039;s free service. So when those pictures of you puking into a toilet at your workplace that you shared with two friends end up in front of your boss, because one of your friends friended him, and Facebook recommended a &quot;share with friends of friends&quot; options, then let&#039;s see if you think &quot;free&quot; makes a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Puck, I guess after reading your comment, what I&#8217;m getting is that you&#8217;re too young to drive and too stupid to understand things. I mean, if you want to get all insulting.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll treat you like an adult and see if I can explain again some things you might want to consider, which you should have gotten from the article if you&#8217;d read it rather than immediately knee-jerked a reaction into the comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not that concerned about my privacy on Facebook. Go back and read my previous article that I&#8217;ve mentioned twice now: <a href="http://daggle.com/facebooks-privacy-upgrade-recommends-private-1550" rel="nofollow">Facebook’s Privacy Upgrade Recommends I Be Less Private</a>. I pretty much don&#8217;t have private things on it, because as I explained, I&#8217;m sharing pretty widely already. </p>
<p>I am concerned when a major company suggests to millions of user that they &#8220;upgrade&#8221; their privacy with recommendations that make that privacy less private, which is what happened. Moreover, they actually removed some controls that you had before.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more than 3 minutes to control all these things. They are not centralized in one place. Some of them are not easily understood or explained, as some of the comments here reflect. I&#8217;m willing to be you&#8217;ve not even reviewed all your settings or are aware of what Facebook might or might not do with your information.</p>
<p>But hey, it&#8217;s free service. So when those pictures of you puking into a toilet at your workplace that you shared with two friends end up in front of your boss, because one of your friends friended him, and Facebook recommended a &#8220;share with friends of friends&#8221; options, then let&#8217;s see if you think &#8220;free&#8221; makes a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: puck</title>
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		<dc:creator>puck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so after reading this article, what i&#039;m getting is that you are just too old and senile to spend 3 minutes sifting through some options to make sure your privacy settings are they way you want them? i can just hear it now, &quot;what are all these new-fangled optiony-dealies? i don&#039;t have time for all this, i&#039;ve got to get to the grocery store to buy some ensure with the coupons i clipped from the sunday paper.&quot; 

you are so concerned about your privacy on facebook, yet you can&#039;t commit a few minutes to setting new and more encompassing privacy settings on your profile? 

and really, the fact of that matter is your are complaining about a FREE service that someone is providing to you. seriously, if you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t use it. this reminds me of when alec baldwin said he&#039;d leave america if W got elected for a second term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so after reading this article, what i&#8217;m getting is that you are just too old and senile to spend 3 minutes sifting through some options to make sure your privacy settings are they way you want them? i can just hear it now, &#8220;what are all these new-fangled optiony-dealies? i don&#8217;t have time for all this, i&#8217;ve got to get to the grocery store to buy some ensure with the coupons i clipped from the sunday paper.&#8221; </p>
<p>you are so concerned about your privacy on facebook, yet you can&#8217;t commit a few minutes to setting new and more encompassing privacy settings on your profile? </p>
<p>and really, the fact of that matter is your are complaining about a FREE service that someone is providing to you. seriously, if you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t use it. this reminds me of when alec baldwin said he&#8217;d leave america if W got elected for a second term.</p>
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