Comments on: Frankly, I Like Twhirl (So Seesmic, Stop Lying About What I Use) http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474 Danny Sullivan's Personal Blog Sun, 20 May 2012 12:02:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Michael Hoskins http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-20466 Michael Hoskins Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:31:07 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-20466 Definitely seems a ploy to get the Seesmic numbers up higher. At the same time, it might be a bit embarrassing if the whole world can see that more people actually prefer your older, discontinued product. I'm sure they have numbers that can directly refute that, but I'd be quite amused if that were the case. Also, I appreciate the very typical, "it's a free product that we barely support now, so just take it" response. I guess for Look, they want to see more specific numbers? Definitely seems a ploy to get the Seesmic numbers up higher. At the same time, it might be a bit embarrassing if the whole world can see that more people actually prefer your older, discontinued product. I’m sure they have numbers that can directly refute that, but I’d be quite amused if that were the case. Also, I appreciate the very typical, “it’s a free product that we barely support now, so just take it” response.

I guess for Look, they want to see more specific numbers?

]]> By: Danny Sullivan http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-14868 Danny Sullivan Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:44:14 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-14868 So now Seesmic has released "Look," which reports itself not as Seesmic generically (as does Twhirl, Seesmic Desktop & Seesmic Mobile) but as "Seesmic Look," as you can see <a href="http://twitter.com/dannysullivan/status/8033204245" rel="nofollow">here</a>. So much for the "We report Seesmic for everything" policy. So now Seesmic has released “Look,” which reports itself not as Seesmic generically (as does Twhirl, Seesmic Desktop & Seesmic Mobile) but as “Seesmic Look,” as you can see here. So much for the “We report Seesmic for everything” policy.

]]> By: Danny Sullivan http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-14446 Danny Sullivan Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:57:32 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-14446 Noticed this week as I've used Seesmic for Android that it reports itself as Seesmic. So in the past week, I've used: Twhirl Seesmic Desktop For Mac Seesmic For Android The world just thinks I'm using Seesmic. Dunno, still doesn't feel right. Noticed this week as I’ve used Seesmic for Android that it reports itself as Seesmic. So in the past week, I’ve used:

Twhirl
Seesmic Desktop For Mac
Seesmic For Android

The world just thinks I’m using Seesmic. Dunno, still doesn’t feel right.

]]> By: Merle http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-11165 Merle Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:29:23 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-11165 I personally love TweetDeck...been hooked on it from the start. I can't stand Twitter's website for reading and posting Tweets, it sucks. TweetDeck makes it oh so nice and oh so easy to Retweet and respond to those I follow. Twitter should revamp their site and add some features that actually support those who use their service, that way everyone wouldn't go looking for third party applications. I personally love TweetDeck…been hooked on it from the start. I can’t stand Twitter’s website for reading and posting Tweets, it sucks. TweetDeck makes it oh so nice and oh so easy to Retweet and respond to those I follow. Twitter should revamp their site and add some features that actually support those who use their service, that way everyone wouldn’t go looking for third party applications.

]]> By: Loic http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10945 Loic Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:57:48 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10945 Hello Danny, Calling our applications seesmic is fine with twitter as presented to their whole team last week, we're talking to them quite frequently. We do not plan to have any application post from anything else in the future and I understand you do not like that, this is just how we provide our apps from now on. We are not improving Twhirl anymore, focusing on Seesmic Desktop and future applications that you will see we will launch soon. We leave Twhirl available as a courtesy to our users but it won't be updated much, we're a small team. I hope you will be able to use Seesmic Desktop and I did take your feedback very seriously. Thank you. Hello Danny,

Calling our applications seesmic is fine with twitter as presented to their whole team last week, we’re talking to them quite frequently. We do not plan to have any application post from anything else in the future and I understand you do not like that, this is just how we provide our apps from now on.

We are not improving Twhirl anymore, focusing on Seesmic Desktop and future applications that you will see we will launch soon. We leave Twhirl available as a courtesy to our users but it won’t be updated much, we’re a small team. I hope you will be able to use Seesmic Desktop and I did take your feedback very seriously. Thank you.

]]> By: Hendy Irawan http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10811 Hendy Irawan Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:29:03 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10811 Same here Danny. Can't install Seesmic, nor TweetDeck. Perhaps it's my broken AIR Install? For now I use HootSuite. Danny, I'm not sure why, but I seem to be keen on web apps :) maybe that's just me :) Same here Danny. Can’t install Seesmic, nor TweetDeck. Perhaps it’s my broken AIR Install?

For now I use HootSuite. Danny, I’m not sure why, but I seem to be keen on web apps :) maybe that’s just me :)

]]> By: Shawn Farner http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10712 Shawn Farner Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:53:00 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10712 I'm right with you, Danny. I actually made a similar statement a little more than a month ago and Loic (on the @AskSeesmic account) responded. You can check out that conversation at the link below: http://bettween.com/shawn/askseesmic I’m right with you, Danny. I actually made a similar statement a little more than a month ago and Loic (on the @AskSeesmic account) responded. You can check out that conversation at the link below:

http://bettween.com/shawn/askseesmic

]]> By: Danny Sullivan http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10711 Danny Sullivan Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:50:35 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10711 Thanks for your response, Loic. I guess it is perspective. You used to call Twhirl as Twhirl, even though you had Seesmic out there as well. For a long time, you reported the client that was used, not the company that owned the client. Then <a href="http://twitter.com/dannysullivan/statuses/5009802431" rel="nofollow">in October</a>, you changed for no explanation that I've seen. Why did you change? What was broken with how you reported before. The Twitter API <a href="http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Return-Values" rel="nofollow">documentation</a> seems pretty clear. What you're reporting is supposed to be the client, not the company: <blockquote> source Description: application that sent a status Examples: web (Default), <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/" rel="nofollow">TweetDeck</a> </blockquote> For me, it's as if you're Microsoft, and you're pushing versions of IE7 and IE8, but then you make a change so that IE7 starts claiming that it is IE8. That makes IE8 look more popular than it might be. I like Seesmic in general. I'm a huge Twhirl fan, and I'll probably make the jump to Seesmic Desktop if only because it think it's clear that Twhirl isn't going to have much of a future, and Seesmic will probably be the closest experience to what I have now and like. And by the way, I'd pay for either of these, if you also sold them. I have seen the single column mode. Like I said, I'll show you later why that still takes up more space than Twhirl does. Maybe it will improve further. And I appreciate you can't please everyone :) Thanks for your response, Loic. I guess it is perspective. You used to call Twhirl as Twhirl, even though you had Seesmic out there as well. For a long time, you reported the client that was used, not the company that owned the client. Then in October, you changed for no explanation that I’ve seen. Why did you change? What was broken with how you reported before.

The Twitter API documentation seems pretty clear. What you’re reporting is supposed to be the client, not the company:

source
Description: application that sent a status
Examples: web (Default), TweetDeck

For me, it’s as if you’re Microsoft, and you’re pushing versions of IE7 and IE8, but then you make a change so that IE7 starts claiming that it is IE8. That makes IE8 look more popular than it might be.

I like Seesmic in general. I’m a huge Twhirl fan, and I’ll probably make the jump to Seesmic Desktop if only because it think it’s clear that Twhirl isn’t going to have much of a future, and Seesmic will probably be the closest experience to what I have now and like. And by the way, I’d pay for either of these, if you also sold them.

I have seen the single column mode. Like I said, I’ll show you later why that still takes up more space than Twhirl does. Maybe it will improve further. And I appreciate you can’t please everyone :)

]]> By: Loic http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10703 Loic Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:54:48 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10703 Hello Danny, I fully understand your concerns, all our clients now say via Seesmic, that is Seesmic Web, Desktop, Twhirl and future mobile clients, they will all say via Seesmic regardless of what they are and what platform they are used on. We don't lie, Twhirl belongs to Seesmic and so you're posting via Seesmic when you use it, via a Seesmic client. I understand it's a change for you and you would rather say it via Twhirl but calling us like we're lying seems a little strong to me... We have made all our clients (Twhirl for 1.5 years) available for free to all our users, with no advertising and with frequent updates. When we launched Seesmic Desktop we did not discontinue Twhirl being available for download and it's still up, for you to use daily without paying anything or getting any ad. We are trying to make the Twhirl users as happy as possible with our new products and as it is said above in comments by Seth, we have created the single column mode in Seesmic just for that reason. We got feedback from our Twhirl users that they also wanted to hide the side bar, we created that too and Seesmic Desktop side bar hidden in one single column mode is really very similar to Twhirl. One big difference is that in Twhirl you can have one account per window, I agree, and we might do that too in Seesmic Desktop. We're trying our best, and we thank you for your feedback. Hoping to make you happy soon, but all our clients will keep saying via seesmic the company, a small thing we do, that I am surprised bothers you like that, sorry about that. We're not liars. We're trying hard to make everyone happy and it simply is often not possible Hello Danny,

I fully understand your concerns, all our clients now say via Seesmic, that is Seesmic Web, Desktop, Twhirl and future mobile clients, they will all say via Seesmic regardless of what they are and what platform they are used on. We don’t lie, Twhirl belongs to Seesmic and so you’re posting via Seesmic when you use it, via a Seesmic client. I understand it’s a change for you and you would rather say it via Twhirl but calling us like we’re lying seems a little strong to me…

We have made all our clients (Twhirl for 1.5 years) available for free to all our users, with no advertising and with frequent updates. When we launched Seesmic Desktop we did not discontinue Twhirl being available for download and it’s still up, for you to use daily without paying anything or getting any ad.

We are trying to make the Twhirl users as happy as possible with our new products and as it is said above in comments by Seth, we have created the single column mode in Seesmic just for that reason. We got feedback from our Twhirl users that they also wanted to hide the side bar, we created that too and Seesmic Desktop side bar hidden in one single column mode is really very similar to Twhirl. One big difference is that in Twhirl you can have one account per window, I agree, and we might do that too in Seesmic Desktop.

We’re trying our best, and we thank you for your feedback. Hoping to make you happy soon, but all our clients will keep saying via seesmic the company, a small thing we do, that I am surprised bothers you like that, sorry about that. We’re not liars. We’re trying hard to make everyone happy and it simply is often not possible

]]> By: Seth Goldstein http://daggle.com/frankly-twhirl-seesmic-stop-lying-1474/comment-page-1#comment-10700 Seth Goldstein Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:30:12 +0000 http://daggle.com/?p=1474#comment-10700 Danny, You know Seesmic Desktop can go down to one pane and work similar to Twhirl. I do agree that they should be honest with Twitters to what program you're using. Great piece. Danny,

You know Seesmic Desktop can go down to one pane and work similar to Twhirl. I do agree that they should be honest with Twitters to what program you’re using.

Great piece.

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