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	<title>Comments on: Google Needs To Learn Browser Isn&#8217;t Best</title>
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	<description>Danny Sullivan&#039;s Personal Blog</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Sperberg</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Sperberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope Google thinks beyond the browser, Chrome or another. Using Adobe AIR or anything that can give me and others a lightweight, multi-platform application that can access our cloud data (and our preferred user settings).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wonder if &lt;a href=&quot;http://prism.mozilla.com/features/&quot; title=&quot;link to features page for Mozilla Labs Prism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prism&lt;/a&gt; will give you what you want.

Maybe not, if you&#039;re thinking how TweetDeck provides features you don&#039;t get using Twitter online. Those new features have to come from somewhere/one. But then again, maybe there are Firefox extensions for Gmail, etc., that you&#039;ll add to a Prism version of Gmail that you keep out of your browser in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope Google thinks beyond the browser, Chrome or another. Using Adobe AIR or anything that can give me and others a lightweight, multi-platform application that can access our cloud data (and our preferred user settings).</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if <a href="http://prism.mozilla.com/features/" title="link to features page for Mozilla Labs Prism" rel="nofollow">Prism</a> will give you what you want.</p>
<p>Maybe not, if you&#8217;re thinking how TweetDeck provides features you don&#8217;t get using Twitter online. Those new features have to come from somewhere/one. But then again, maybe there are Firefox extensions for Gmail, etc., that you&#8217;ll add to a Prism version of Gmail that you keep out of your browser in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikita Tovstoles</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikita Tovstoles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 01:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, 

I think Google agrees with you. From what I can tell, the are building Chrome not so much to be a browser, but to (ultimately) be an operating system of sorts.  Apparently (and I may very well be wrong), each tab is a separate system process - meaning a crash of one tab won&#039;t affect others. With technologies like Google Gears and HTML 5 (offline storage), Google probably hopes they will soon have enough of a software stack to replace Windows, especially at the very low end (netbooks). So yes, I imagine there will be a desktop GMail client. It just might not be a Windows-based one ;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, </p>
<p>I think Google agrees with you. From what I can tell, the are building Chrome not so much to be a browser, but to (ultimately) be an operating system of sorts.  Apparently (and I may very well be wrong), each tab is a separate system process &#8211; meaning a crash of one tab won&#8217;t affect others. With technologies like Google Gears and HTML 5 (offline storage), Google probably hopes they will soon have enough of a software stack to replace Windows, especially at the very low end (netbooks). So yes, I imagine there will be a desktop GMail client. It just might not be a Windows-based one ;-</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 09:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many people have switched away from desktop clients to Google Mail because they actually prefer the interface.  My mother finds it less confusing.   I find it more convenient.  And it&#039;s far easier to customize GMail (e.g., with Greasemonkey) than Outlook.  It&#039;s nice that Outlook meets your needs exactly, but I suspect that among E-mail users in general, you may be in the minority.  Furthermore, GMail actually does address many of the issues you raise, you just need to read the (fairly short) help file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people have switched away from desktop clients to Google Mail because they actually prefer the interface.  My mother finds it less confusing.   I find it more convenient.  And it&#8217;s far easier to customize GMail (e.g., with Greasemonkey) than Outlook.  It&#8217;s nice that Outlook meets your needs exactly, but I suspect that among E-mail users in general, you may be in the minority.  Furthermore, GMail actually does address many of the issues you raise, you just need to read the (fairly short) help file.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danny,

I definitely do see your points, and I also like the clarifications from other commenters here.

I found your example of Twhirl (and similar AIR apps) interesting and a bit problematic, though.  I can&#039;t imagine this being a native limitation of the AIR platform, but in all the apps I&#039;ve tried, I have to re-enter all my settings on my two desktops and laptop separately.  For instance, I initially tried out Tweetdeck, but quickly balked when I realized that I&#039;d have to specify friend-groups separately on each computer... and on an ongoing basis, too. 

Could apps like this sync settings (and read/unread status and such) to the cloud?  Sure.  But then you&#039;re once again depending upon a central server, with all the connection/privacy/other baggage that entails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny,</p>
<p>I definitely do see your points, and I also like the clarifications from other commenters here.</p>
<p>I found your example of Twhirl (and similar AIR apps) interesting and a bit problematic, though.  I can&#8217;t imagine this being a native limitation of the AIR platform, but in all the apps I&#8217;ve tried, I have to re-enter all my settings on my two desktops and laptop separately.  For instance, I initially tried out Tweetdeck, but quickly balked when I realized that I&#8217;d have to specify friend-groups separately on each computer&#8230; and on an ongoing basis, too. </p>
<p>Could apps like this sync settings (and read/unread status and such) to the cloud?  Sure.  But then you&#8217;re once again depending upon a central server, with all the connection/privacy/other baggage that entails.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be clear, I use Google Apps for my email, rather than Gmail proper. That means I control my own domain; the email that goes out uses my domain name rather than Gmail. It&#039;s a serious way of doing it. There&#039;s more my &lt;a href=&quot;http://daggle.com/category/email&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;email archives&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I use Google Apps for my email, rather than Gmail proper. That means I control my own domain; the email that goes out uses my domain name rather than Gmail. It&#8217;s a serious way of doing it. There&#8217;s more my <a href="http://daggle.com/category/email" rel="nofollow">email archives</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@graywolf re using the cloud for email.

Sorry if your serious about doing stuff online some one who&#039;s doing business who doesn’t set up and use a proper email address is a sign of a dilettante or as Dogbert would put it a Luser or  a “Sub” in oldskool Telco terms.

Use a Gmail address as away for you to access your mail remotely or as a throw away address  is ok but as your only address the sign of a rank amateur.

Btw if you think this sounds arrogant its not like I quote my phone/telex numbers in X.400 form 1 variant 3  anymore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@graywolf re using the cloud for email.</p>
<p>Sorry if your serious about doing stuff online some one who&#8217;s doing business who doesn’t set up and use a proper email address is a sign of a dilettante or as Dogbert would put it a Luser or  a “Sub” in oldskool Telco terms.</p>
<p>Use a Gmail address as away for you to access your mail remotely or as a throw away address  is ok but as your only address the sign of a rank amateur.</p>
<p>Btw if you think this sounds arrogant its not like I quote my phone/telex numbers in X.400 form 1 variant 3  anymore</p>
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		<title>By: TS</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>TS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gmail supports IMAP so you can use absolutely any email client with it. 

Try using Postbox (http://www.postbox-inc.com/) if you want an experience that is similar to Gmail&#039;s web interface ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gmail supports IMAP so you can use absolutely any email client with it. </p>
<p>Try using Postbox (<a href="http://www.postbox-inc.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.postbox-inc.com/</a>) if you want an experience that is similar to Gmail&#8217;s web interface <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: heynow</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>heynow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to favor Danny&#039;s view more than the rebuttal comments so far. Particularly cuz of the ease of use. 

However, what struck me is the &quot;datum&quot; that those who worry about Google tracking them would no longer have a concern using a client version email. I fail to see that. I think there still is quite a bit to worry about still. 

I also don&#039;t find Chrome as strikingly impressive as Matt states often. I use it for speed purposes sometimes. Generally however, I stick with Firefox and I also use IE8 for some purposes. Each have their advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to favor Danny&#8217;s view more than the rebuttal comments so far. Particularly cuz of the ease of use. </p>
<p>However, what struck me is the &#8220;datum&#8221; that those who worry about Google tracking them would no longer have a concern using a client version email. I fail to see that. I think there still is quite a bit to worry about still. </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t find Chrome as strikingly impressive as Matt states often. I use it for speed purposes sometimes. Generally however, I stick with Firefox and I also use IE8 for some purposes. Each have their advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hayes</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many folks are turning to Thunderbird with the GmailUI skin and others coming along. Various POP3 tweaks help to download an entire Gmail account and help with sync. Seems to be a trend I might soon try myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many folks are turning to Thunderbird with the GmailUI skin and others coming along. Various POP3 tweaks help to download an entire Gmail account and help with sync. Seems to be a trend I might soon try myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/google-learn-browser-568/comment-page-1#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments so far. I notice myself going the opposite direction; I&#039;m trying to get more and more into the cloud. I was cleaning files off my laptop this weekend, for example, and I noticed that I had Twirl installed but hadn&#039;t used it a few months. I like that the web has fairly standard user-interface idioms for dealing with things, but programs can get much more unintuitive with their UIs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments so far. I notice myself going the opposite direction; I&#8217;m trying to get more and more into the cloud. I was cleaning files off my laptop this weekend, for example, and I noticed that I had Twirl installed but hadn&#8217;t used it a few months. I like that the web has fairly standard user-interface idioms for dealing with things, but programs can get much more unintuitive with their UIs.</p>
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