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		<title>By: Roy Bashiry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Bashiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you don&#039;t expect big websites / companies to act like that, shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you don&#8217;t expect big websites / companies to act like that, shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty fascinating topic, thank you for putting up.</description>
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		<title>By: Emil Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emil Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i been follow you for years reading your articles and search engine news , Danny Sullivan you are Widely considered a leading &quot;search engine guru, for me is not about exclusive right to the information it&#039;s all about credit you for writing it&#039;s not easy to do so, not when it&#039;s come to social media, and old media that it&#039;s all about the new social media, writing takes time and understanding of facts and having the ability to predict future changes in technology search, news, and change made by The Mainstream media, if you can see that like you do then you get the credit keep up with the excellent writing and pinpoint accuracy.
Emil Cohen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i been follow you for years reading your articles and search engine news , Danny Sullivan you are Widely considered a leading &#8220;search engine guru, for me is not about exclusive right to the information it&#8217;s all about credit you for writing it&#8217;s not easy to do so, not when it&#8217;s come to social media, and old media that it&#8217;s all about the new social media, writing takes time and understanding of facts and having the ability to predict future changes in technology search, news, and change made by The Mainstream media, if you can see that like you do then you get the credit keep up with the excellent writing and pinpoint accuracy.<br />
Emil Cohen</p>
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		<title>By: iLuLuOnline</title>
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		<dc:creator>iLuLuOnline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read it. That&#039;s a whole lot of work when you are running a blog by yourself. I did email the popular blogs that did this and never got a response from either. 
I&#039;m just glad I had the good sense to plaster my logo all over the image but it irks me that they get to have all the traffic and earnings. For the sake of my health I&#039;ve decided to let it go.
Hopefully people will want to go to the source</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read it. That&#8217;s a whole lot of work when you are running a blog by yourself. I did email the popular blogs that did this and never got a response from either.<br />
I&#8217;m just glad I had the good sense to plaster my logo all over the image but it irks me that they get to have all the traffic and earnings. For the sake of my health I&#8217;ve decided to let it go.<br />
Hopefully people will want to go to the source</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is the whole megillah:

Breaking the Sarah Palin Trademark Story: A Lesson in Journalism Ethics

Suzi Parker


One night at 2 a.m. I was reading a story by Matt Lewis about Herman
Cain, a possible 2012 presidential candidate from Georgia. Pursuing
the Cain story further, I discovered that he had trademarked the
phrase &quot;The Hermanator Experience.&quot;

Trademark? Hmm. I wondered if Sarah Palin had trademarked something
with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. It seemed like something
she would do. A quick search and voila! Indeed, her longtime family
attorney, Thomas Van Flein, had filed two applications with the office
for the names Sarah Palin and Bristol Palin.
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But with that scoop about Palin&#039;s branding, a question about
journalism ethics and civility in the 21st century arose. In the
Internet age, does the old journalism rule of giving credit to a
breaking story&#039;s original source still apply?

In this zip-zip era of blogs, it&#039;s easy to lose track of which outlet
breaks a story first, especially as it becomes viral through social
media. The Palin story was picked up by many websites, including
Politico, The Atlantic Wire, Vanity Fair, Talking Points Memo and
Mediaite. Those sites linked to the original story and gave Politics
Daily credit.

Then something odd happened. Vanity Fair began getting credit for the
story. It was as if reporters weren&#039;t even reading the Vanity Fair
piece -- and noting its reference to the original source -- but just
copying and pasting the link into their stories. To confront or not to
confront? That was the question.

In journalism, professional courtesy has been a long-standing
tradition, and it still pays for reporters to check the accuracy of
sources, whether they&#039;re writing for a newspaper or a blog. In other
words, search for the original source. Not to so do isn&#039;t exactly
unethical, but it is lazy and sloppy at best.

In 2008, Jeff Jarvis wrote on his &quot;Buzz Machine&quot; blog: &quot;I believe it
is vital that we as an industry find ways to point to and give credit
to original reporting. That is how original journalism will be
supported, in the end: by monetizing the audience that comes to it,
whether through advertising or contributions.&quot;

He also created a golden rule: &quot;Link unto others&#039; good stuff as you
would have them link unto your good stuff.&quot;

Thankfully, ethics still exist among some reporters. When I e-mailed a
Salon reporter, he immediately apologized and said he would link to
Politics Daily. He did so. The same thing happened when I e-mailed a
reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. When a reporter with the
New York Daily News gave another AOL entity credit instead of Politics
Daily, I sent her a nice note explaining that the two were separate
sites. She apologized and changed it within five minutes.

But not everyone was so eager to please.

The Arkansas Times blog didn&#039;t cite Politics Daily -- or any site, for
that matter -- in the body of the post. The report did have a link to
Talking Points Memo. When I questioned the editor, Max Brantley, he
replied, &quot;I linked to where I read it.&quot;

Easy enough mistake, but I pressed for attribution, explaining that
Politics Daily broke the story. He answered, &quot;I see that now, as will
anyone who opens the link. I rarely dig into the chain of sources on
blog links, particularly when I use so little of the content.&quot;

He finally gave Politics Daily credit for the story but refused to
link to the original source.

Journalism professors say this is a no-no.

&quot;I think a media outlet is absolutely duty bound to link to stuff that
has already been reported elsewhere,&quot; says Mike Lyons, a former
reporter for the Associated Press and now an assistant professor of
journalism at Saint Joseph&#039;s University in Philadelphia. &quot;We would
have expected them to do that in the &#039;old media world,&#039; by giving
credit where credit was due and attributing the original report. Why
would that change?&quot;

Reuters did not do so. Its reporter wrote a lengthy story but never
credited Politics Daily as the first outlet to report the Palin
trademark applications. The Reuters story spread quickly and landed in
many print publications across the world. Reuters did add new
information to the story, reporting that Palin now has a new attorney
handling the trademark issue. (Van Flein now works for U.S. Rep. Paul
Gosar, a Republican from Arizona with strong tea party ties.) The
Reuters reporter didn&#039;t reply to my e-mail.

&quot;Even contemporary journalism ethics would require that an outlet
credit another organization for a story if it is first reported
there,&quot; says Richard J. Goedkoop, professor of communication at
LaSalle University. &quot;To do otherwise might be considered plagiarism,
or at the least, unprofessional.&quot;

And now to the Associated Press. The AP always requires a citation
from other publications that quote a story by the wire service. The
cited reference cannot be more than a paragraph or so of AP&#039;s original
story and the wire service is a stickler for demanding credit.

But when AP reported the trademark story, no credit was given. I
e-mailed the Alaska bureau chief and explained the situation. He
agreed that Politics Daily should have been cited and said he would
correct it in an updated version of the story.

He made the change, but it was the last sentence in the story. Later,
a small victory did arrive from Traci Carl, the AP&#039;s West Editor,
wrote in an e-mail, &quot;You are right. The Associated Press should have
give you credit for breaking the Palin trademark story, and we should
have put it higher in the story. We will do so in the future.&quot;

The Internet is a big, big place and I&#039;m beginning to feel a bit like
Sisyphus. Click click click. I love the Internet, but every now and
then I miss the thud of a rolled-up newspaper landing on my doorstep.
It was firm and final and certainly unsearchable. What we called
&quot;tomorrow&#039;s kitty litter box liner&quot; was a curse, but maybe it was a
blessing, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is the whole megillah:</p>
<p>Breaking the Sarah Palin Trademark Story: A Lesson in Journalism Ethics</p>
<p>Suzi Parker</p>
<p>One night at 2 a.m. I was reading a story by Matt Lewis about Herman<br />
Cain, a possible 2012 presidential candidate from Georgia. Pursuing<br />
the Cain story further, I discovered that he had trademarked the<br />
phrase &#8220;The Hermanator Experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trademark? Hmm. I wondered if Sarah Palin had trademarked something<br />
with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. It seemed like something<br />
she would do. A quick search and voila! Indeed, her longtime family<br />
attorney, Thomas Van Flein, had filed two applications with the office<br />
for the names Sarah Palin and Bristol Palin.<br />
­­­­<br />
But with that scoop about Palin&#8217;s branding, a question about<br />
journalism ethics and civility in the 21st century arose. In the<br />
Internet age, does the old journalism rule of giving credit to a<br />
breaking story&#8217;s original source still apply?</p>
<p>In this zip-zip era of blogs, it&#8217;s easy to lose track of which outlet<br />
breaks a story first, especially as it becomes viral through social<br />
media. The Palin story was picked up by many websites, including<br />
Politico, The Atlantic Wire, Vanity Fair, Talking Points Memo and<br />
Mediaite. Those sites linked to the original story and gave Politics<br />
Daily credit.</p>
<p>Then something odd happened. Vanity Fair began getting credit for the<br />
story. It was as if reporters weren&#8217;t even reading the Vanity Fair<br />
piece &#8212; and noting its reference to the original source &#8212; but just<br />
copying and pasting the link into their stories. To confront or not to<br />
confront? That was the question.</p>
<p>In journalism, professional courtesy has been a long-standing<br />
tradition, and it still pays for reporters to check the accuracy of<br />
sources, whether they&#8217;re writing for a newspaper or a blog. In other<br />
words, search for the original source. Not to so do isn&#8217;t exactly<br />
unethical, but it is lazy and sloppy at best.</p>
<p>In 2008, Jeff Jarvis wrote on his &#8220;Buzz Machine&#8221; blog: &#8220;I believe it<br />
is vital that we as an industry find ways to point to and give credit<br />
to original reporting. That is how original journalism will be<br />
supported, in the end: by monetizing the audience that comes to it,<br />
whether through advertising or contributions.&#8221;</p>
<p>He also created a golden rule: &#8220;Link unto others&#8217; good stuff as you<br />
would have them link unto your good stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thankfully, ethics still exist among some reporters. When I e-mailed a<br />
Salon reporter, he immediately apologized and said he would link to<br />
Politics Daily. He did so. The same thing happened when I e-mailed a<br />
reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. When a reporter with the<br />
New York Daily News gave another AOL entity credit instead of Politics<br />
Daily, I sent her a nice note explaining that the two were separate<br />
sites. She apologized and changed it within five minutes.</p>
<p>But not everyone was so eager to please.</p>
<p>The Arkansas Times blog didn&#8217;t cite Politics Daily &#8212; or any site, for<br />
that matter &#8212; in the body of the post. The report did have a link to<br />
Talking Points Memo. When I questioned the editor, Max Brantley, he<br />
replied, &#8220;I linked to where I read it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Easy enough mistake, but I pressed for attribution, explaining that<br />
Politics Daily broke the story. He answered, &#8220;I see that now, as will<br />
anyone who opens the link. I rarely dig into the chain of sources on<br />
blog links, particularly when I use so little of the content.&#8221;</p>
<p>He finally gave Politics Daily credit for the story but refused to<br />
link to the original source.</p>
<p>Journalism professors say this is a no-no.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think a media outlet is absolutely duty bound to link to stuff that<br />
has already been reported elsewhere,&#8221; says Mike Lyons, a former<br />
reporter for the Associated Press and now an assistant professor of<br />
journalism at Saint Joseph&#8217;s University in Philadelphia. &#8220;We would<br />
have expected them to do that in the &#8216;old media world,&#8217; by giving<br />
credit where credit was due and attributing the original report. Why<br />
would that change?&#8221;</p>
<p>Reuters did not do so. Its reporter wrote a lengthy story but never<br />
credited Politics Daily as the first outlet to report the Palin<br />
trademark applications. The Reuters story spread quickly and landed in<br />
many print publications across the world. Reuters did add new<br />
information to the story, reporting that Palin now has a new attorney<br />
handling the trademark issue. (Van Flein now works for U.S. Rep. Paul<br />
Gosar, a Republican from Arizona with strong tea party ties.) The<br />
Reuters reporter didn&#8217;t reply to my e-mail.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even contemporary journalism ethics would require that an outlet<br />
credit another organization for a story if it is first reported<br />
there,&#8221; says Richard J. Goedkoop, professor of communication at<br />
LaSalle University. &#8220;To do otherwise might be considered plagiarism,<br />
or at the least, unprofessional.&#8221;</p>
<p>And now to the Associated Press. The AP always requires a citation<br />
from other publications that quote a story by the wire service. The<br />
cited reference cannot be more than a paragraph or so of AP&#8217;s original<br />
story and the wire service is a stickler for demanding credit.</p>
<p>But when AP reported the trademark story, no credit was given. I<br />
e-mailed the Alaska bureau chief and explained the situation. He<br />
agreed that Politics Daily should have been cited and said he would<br />
correct it in an updated version of the story.</p>
<p>He made the change, but it was the last sentence in the story. Later,<br />
a small victory did arrive from Traci Carl, the AP&#8217;s West Editor,<br />
wrote in an e-mail, &#8220;You are right. The Associated Press should have<br />
give you credit for breaking the Palin trademark story, and we should<br />
have put it higher in the story. We will do so in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Internet is a big, big place and I&#8217;m beginning to feel a bit like<br />
Sisyphus. Click click click. I love the Internet, but every now and<br />
then I miss the thud of a rolled-up newspaper landing on my doorstep.<br />
It was firm and final and certainly unsearchable. What we called<br />
&#8220;tomorrow&#8217;s kitty litter box liner&#8221; was a curse, but maybe it was a<br />
blessing, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzi Parker at PoliticsDaily just went through this same exact meshugan thing. google her name and the Sarah Palin trademark story. she scooped it, but it got picked up by the world, mostly without credit, and often with wrong incorrect credit. mostly fixed now, but she had to go through the loops just as Danny did......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzi Parker at PoliticsDaily just went through this same exact meshugan thing. google her name and the Sarah Palin trademark story. she scooped it, but it got picked up by the world, mostly without credit, and often with wrong incorrect credit. mostly fixed now, but she had to go through the loops just as Danny did&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neomi Picot</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/mainstream-media-stole-news-story-credit-1906/comment-page-2#comment-24645</link>
		<dc:creator>Neomi Picot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An fascinating discussion is price comment. I feel that you need to write more on this matter, it won&#039;t be a taboo subject but generally persons are not enough to speak on such topics. To the next. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An fascinating discussion is price comment. I feel that you need to write more on this matter, it won&#8217;t be a taboo subject but generally persons are not enough to speak on such topics. To the next. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: iLuLuOnline</title>
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		<dc:creator>iLuLuOnline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going through the same thing. I broke a story and got some exclusive image of a tweet that was sent in the story and later deleted and thank God I was smart enough to brand my logo on it. The more established entertainment blogs all grabbed the image and none of them gave me credit! some linked to the image itself and others just wrote my website name and others just slapped it on with no credit at all! I think it is despicable seeing as I took the time to research the story, verified the information and got the evidence to back it up. The more established blogs are now being credited for the story!!!
I am so mad and frustrated cos this is not the first time but this is the largest story (FYI it&#039;s a story on David Lachappelle confronting Rihanna on Twitter over stealing his imagery for her video)
I am going to tweet this story so these unscrupulous fools hopefully get some shame in them and do the right thing! (excuse any spelling errors cos I&#039;m livid as I type this)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going through the same thing. I broke a story and got some exclusive image of a tweet that was sent in the story and later deleted and thank God I was smart enough to brand my logo on it. The more established entertainment blogs all grabbed the image and none of them gave me credit! some linked to the image itself and others just wrote my website name and others just slapped it on with no credit at all! I think it is despicable seeing as I took the time to research the story, verified the information and got the evidence to back it up. The more established blogs are now being credited for the story!!!<br />
I am so mad and frustrated cos this is not the first time but this is the largest story (FYI it&#8217;s a story on David Lachappelle confronting Rihanna on Twitter over stealing his imagery for her video)<br />
I am going to tweet this story so these unscrupulous fools hopefully get some shame in them and do the right thing! (excuse any spelling errors cos I&#8217;m livid as I type this)</p>
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		<title>By: Barnegat Blummis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnegat Blummis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 05:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quoted someones quote about quoting in a quotidian way and failed to attribute my quota, quoth I.  Yea, verily, &#039;tis metacognition gone starkers, n&#039;est-ce pas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quoted someones quote about quoting in a quotidian way and failed to attribute my quota, quoth I.  Yea, verily, &#8217;tis metacognition gone starkers, n&#8217;est-ce pas?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Uhrlen</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/mainstream-media-stole-news-story-credit-1906/comment-page-2#comment-23879</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Uhrlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago when a newscaster was interviewed, you would have been referred to as an &quot;unnamed source&quot;, today you are referred to as &quot;the geek in living in his mother&#039;s basement&quot;.  The mainstream media made their bread and butter for decades (and still does) off people who don&#039;t have a loud enough public voice.  I have also noticed the radio and television people who complain the most about bloggers are over the age of 40.  Being north of 40 myself, I have to shake my head when I hear this kind of nonsense.  All they are doing is trying to protect their spot so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago when a newscaster was interviewed, you would have been referred to as an &#8220;unnamed source&#8221;, today you are referred to as &#8220;the geek in living in his mother&#8217;s basement&#8221;.  The mainstream media made their bread and butter for decades (and still does) off people who don&#8217;t have a loud enough public voice.  I have also noticed the radio and television people who complain the most about bloggers are over the age of 40.  Being north of 40 myself, I have to shake my head when I hear this kind of nonsense.  All they are doing is trying to protect their spot so to speak.</p>
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