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		<title>By: Penquin Prose</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-2712</link>
		<dc:creator>Penquin Prose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Antitrust Gestapo will soon be taking a break from wasting billions of dollars suing Microsoft 24/7 and turn their briefcases on Google. 

I will sleep so much better at night knowing Google will soon be joining the ranks of Microsoft, businesses too successful for the government not to paralyze in the public interest.  

Yes, the answer to this Google dilemma is massive litigation and regulation.  

I&#039;m glad the government is baling out GM though. Can&#039;t wait to see the new line of Obama-mandated solar powered SUV&#039;s. 

If I get a position with Government Motors, will that be a &quot;green&quot; job? Not sure if I&#039;d look good in a green collar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Antitrust Gestapo will soon be taking a break from wasting billions of dollars suing Microsoft 24/7 and turn their briefcases on Google. </p>
<p>I will sleep so much better at night knowing Google will soon be joining the ranks of Microsoft, businesses too successful for the government not to paralyze in the public interest.  </p>
<p>Yes, the answer to this Google dilemma is massive litigation and regulation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the government is baling out GM though. Can&#8217;t wait to see the new line of Obama-mandated solar powered SUV&#8217;s. </p>
<p>If I get a position with Government Motors, will that be a &#8220;green&#8221; job? Not sure if I&#8217;d look good in a green collar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bob brady</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>bob brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can be sure that the medieval scribes hated Gutenberg for inventing movable type, taking away their information monopoly (and depriving the world--or at least those privileged enough to see them) of incredibly beautiful texts.

The point is that technology changes, and we have to adapt to it or risk extinction.  On the other hand, Google is a parasite.  Whether it evolves to an equilibrium that allows the press to continue in something like  its historic  form or not, it seems unlikely that Google, itself, will remain unchanged if it destroys the organ it is feeding on.  Somebody is going to have to produce the information to be searched.  Long term, it probably won&#039;t be just the hobbyists, content with recognition from remuneration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can be sure that the medieval scribes hated Gutenberg for inventing movable type, taking away their information monopoly (and depriving the world&#8211;or at least those privileged enough to see them) of incredibly beautiful texts.</p>
<p>The point is that technology changes, and we have to adapt to it or risk extinction.  On the other hand, Google is a parasite.  Whether it evolves to an equilibrium that allows the press to continue in something like  its historic  form or not, it seems unlikely that Google, itself, will remain unchanged if it destroys the organ it is feeding on.  Somebody is going to have to produce the information to be searched.  Long term, it probably won&#8217;t be just the hobbyists, content with recognition from remuneration.</p>
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		<title>By: SeoLuv</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>SeoLuv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://seoluv.com/seoluvblog/luv-triangle/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Luv Triangle&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;How Google got its Tiger pierced by The Federal Search Commission.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Luv Triangle Act 3 scene i&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of the press. Enter the embedded Journalist. Thomas Jefferson somehow knew on September 25, 1789 that somewhere in the future the Forth Estate Corporatocracy would one day be in a position to transmogrify “Freedom of the Press” into the freedom to secretly negotiate with the Government over terms and conditions regarding the policies that the Government wanted the Forth Estate to “wag the dog” on in exchange for what the Forth Estate wanted in return. Somehow Thomas Jefferson knew that one day the Forth Estate would sell out and make a deal with the Administration to escape the Digital Dutch Oven.
Thomas Jefferson knew.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://seoluv.com/seoluvblog/luv-triangle/" rel="nofollow">Luv Triangle</a><br />
<strong>&#8220;How Google got its Tiger pierced by The Federal Search Commission.&#8221;</strong><br />
<em>Luv Triangle Act 3 scene i</em></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of the press. Enter the embedded Journalist. Thomas Jefferson somehow knew on September 25, 1789 that somewhere in the future the Forth Estate Corporatocracy would one day be in a position to transmogrify “Freedom of the Press” into the freedom to secretly negotiate with the Government over terms and conditions regarding the policies that the Government wanted the Forth Estate to “wag the dog” on in exchange for what the Forth Estate wanted in return. Somehow Thomas Jefferson knew that one day the Forth Estate would sell out and make a deal with the Administration to escape the Digital Dutch Oven.<br />
Thomas Jefferson knew.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Max Thomas</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danny,
I&#039;ve been a devotee of yours for awhile via SEL, SMX, etc. I have always appreciated (and respected) your view points on newspapers vs search, especially given your journalism background. I found your letter to Tim Rutten very salient. Personally, I&#039;m the &#039;black sheep&#039; seo-guy from a newspaper family that goes back three generations. My immediate family all currently publish regional weeklies and dailies. Every time we get into the search vs. newspaper demise conversation, the walls go up and they don&#039;t really want to talk about how newspapers can change. I&#039;ve chalked this up to my observation that they don&#039;t understand the Internet or really want to, so the conversation never goes anywhere. But your posts make a key point in that newspapers may be faltering (by way of the executives) but the journalists are not. In fact, the ability for newspapers to be &#039;gate keepers of democracy&#039; relies upon strong journalism, not the newspapers themselves. It&#039;s still nascent, but I&#039;m seeing more cases of journalists leaving their traditional masthead (like with the Union Tribune in San Diego - where I live) to start their own sites and blogs that are built around &#039;reporting&#039; and &#039;journalism&#039;. It&#039;s too soon to tell how sustainable these new sites will be, but the trend points to how the &#039;soul&#039; of newspapers no longer needs just newspapers to survive. It&#039;s still about the journalist.
Again, thanks for your &#039;right on&#039; posts about newspapers. And thanks too for letting me ramble on your blog :)
Looking forward to seeing you at SD Interactive Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny,<br />
I&#8217;ve been a devotee of yours for awhile via SEL, SMX, etc. I have always appreciated (and respected) your view points on newspapers vs search, especially given your journalism background. I found your letter to Tim Rutten very salient. Personally, I&#8217;m the &#8216;black sheep&#8217; seo-guy from a newspaper family that goes back three generations. My immediate family all currently publish regional weeklies and dailies. Every time we get into the search vs. newspaper demise conversation, the walls go up and they don&#8217;t really want to talk about how newspapers can change. I&#8217;ve chalked this up to my observation that they don&#8217;t understand the Internet or really want to, so the conversation never goes anywhere. But your posts make a key point in that newspapers may be faltering (by way of the executives) but the journalists are not. In fact, the ability for newspapers to be &#8216;gate keepers of democracy&#8217; relies upon strong journalism, not the newspapers themselves. It&#8217;s still nascent, but I&#8217;m seeing more cases of journalists leaving their traditional masthead (like with the Union Tribune in San Diego &#8211; where I live) to start their own sites and blogs that are built around &#8216;reporting&#8217; and &#8216;journalism&#8217;. It&#8217;s too soon to tell how sustainable these new sites will be, but the trend points to how the &#8216;soul&#8217; of newspapers no longer needs just newspapers to survive. It&#8217;s still about the journalist.<br />
Again, thanks for your &#8216;right on&#8217; posts about newspapers. And thanks too for letting me ramble on your blog <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Looking forward to seeing you at SD Interactive Day.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Danny 
To be honest :) I just thought of you and stopped by. I kept up with the blogging thing and work on my Anger issues a LIL. Anyway hope you get a nice LONG break this summer from all the seo serps etc etc.
No laptops,no not even a phone sort of like that Corona commercial 
Your always welcome to sneak off to San Antonio.
Enjoy your summer Mr Sullivan 
PS I like this comment system better I came by alon time back and it was like braking into Ft Know :) Peace
My comments are DO follow despite popular methods
google &quot;pure juice not from concentrate&quot; got that one from you :)
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Danny<br />
To be honest <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I just thought of you and stopped by. I kept up with the blogging thing and work on my Anger issues a LIL. Anyway hope you get a nice LONG break this summer from all the seo serps etc etc.<br />
No laptops,no not even a phone sort of like that Corona commercial<br />
Your always welcome to sneak off to San Antonio.<br />
Enjoy your summer Mr Sullivan<br />
PS I like this comment system better I came by alon time back and it was like braking into Ft Know <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Peace<br />
My comments are DO follow despite popular methods<br />
google &#8220;pure juice not from concentrate&#8221; got that one from you <img src='http://daggle.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that they continually refuse to acknowledge your inquiries, someone who is uniquely qualified to speak on the subject from both angles, is evidence of their true motive, which is not to understand the issue and come to a sane solution, but to cross their arms, pout their lips and sulk until they get their way. It won&#039;t happen and as a result they truly are committing hari kari right before our eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they continually refuse to acknowledge your inquiries, someone who is uniquely qualified to speak on the subject from both angles, is evidence of their true motive, which is not to understand the issue and come to a sane solution, but to cross their arms, pout their lips and sulk until they get their way. It won&#8217;t happen and as a result they truly are committing hari kari right before our eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Penquin Prose</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>Penquin Prose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why the newspapers are making such a big fuss about this. 

When it&#039;s all said and done, they&#039;re going to get a government bailout. The MSM papers will, inevitably, convince the Obama Adminstration that their dying product is too precious to fail, forcing taxpayers to shell out even more money to keep another product on the market that Americans no longer demand.  

Why not nationalize the New York Times? Isn&#039;t their editorial staff already on the Fed&#039;s payroll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why the newspapers are making such a big fuss about this. </p>
<p>When it&#8217;s all said and done, they&#8217;re going to get a government bailout. The MSM papers will, inevitably, convince the Obama Adminstration that their dying product is too precious to fail, forcing taxpayers to shell out even more money to keep another product on the market that Americans no longer demand.  </p>
<p>Why not nationalize the New York Times? Isn&#8217;t their editorial staff already on the Fed&#8217;s payroll?</p>
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		<title>By: Narcogen</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-1687</link>
		<dc:creator>Narcogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t embrace it because it&#039;s terribly, terribly risky. Presses, paper and ink are their biggest cost sinks and they can only truly take advantage of digital distribution by eliminating them. Digital distribution, by itself, does not bring in enough additional revenue to cover its costs unless the traditional distribution costs are eliminated.

That&#039;s a plunge most are unwilling to take, hence this request for collusion. Everyone is afraid that the first papers to go digital-only will lose their advertising revenue and not survive, despite the reduction in costs. Those advertising dollars will shift to more traditional outlets that keep their dead tree editions. 

So by now everyone might admit that the transition is inevitable, but no one wants to do it first. While no one is willing to make that transition, all the outlets suffer, and the existence of those outlets puts a cap on the growth of new, alternative outlets, as advertising dollars can be fairly conservative. 

Eventually it will all work itself out. Many may not like the results. All the traditional outlets will fail. Only new ones will remain, those unfettered by dead tree distribution costs. Those outlets may bear little or no resemblance to the old ones. They will be organized by topic, not by geography. Advertising agencies won&#039;t be able to play with numbers anymore since digital distribution generates figures that are a lot less fungible. 

It might actually be true that newspapers can&#039;t survive, as a group, without some kind of gentleman&#039;s agreement.

I think it is equally true that they should not get it. What we need to be looking at is creating new, digital outlets that perform the same social functions and provide similar value, and how to convince advertising revenues to fund them and abandon the old models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t embrace it because it&#8217;s terribly, terribly risky. Presses, paper and ink are their biggest cost sinks and they can only truly take advantage of digital distribution by eliminating them. Digital distribution, by itself, does not bring in enough additional revenue to cover its costs unless the traditional distribution costs are eliminated.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a plunge most are unwilling to take, hence this request for collusion. Everyone is afraid that the first papers to go digital-only will lose their advertising revenue and not survive, despite the reduction in costs. Those advertising dollars will shift to more traditional outlets that keep their dead tree editions. </p>
<p>So by now everyone might admit that the transition is inevitable, but no one wants to do it first. While no one is willing to make that transition, all the outlets suffer, and the existence of those outlets puts a cap on the growth of new, alternative outlets, as advertising dollars can be fairly conservative. </p>
<p>Eventually it will all work itself out. Many may not like the results. All the traditional outlets will fail. Only new ones will remain, those unfettered by dead tree distribution costs. Those outlets may bear little or no resemblance to the old ones. They will be organized by topic, not by geography. Advertising agencies won&#8217;t be able to play with numbers anymore since digital distribution generates figures that are a lot less fungible. </p>
<p>It might actually be true that newspapers can&#8217;t survive, as a group, without some kind of gentleman&#8217;s agreement.</p>
<p>I think it is equally true that they should not get it. What we need to be looking at is creating new, digital outlets that perform the same social functions and provide similar value, and how to convince advertising revenues to fund them and abandon the old models.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Weir</title>
		<link>http://daggle.com/newspapers-license-collude-survive-696/comment-page-1#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also e-mailed Mr. Rutten and didn&#039;t hear back from him. I had blogged about the same column &lt;a href=&quot;http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/01/its-not-about-saving-newspapers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and share your views on the topic. I&#039;d love to see all newspapers do this, because then I could build one free site and run them all out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also e-mailed Mr. Rutten and didn&#8217;t hear back from him. I had blogged about the same column <a href="http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/01/its-not-about-saving-newspapers/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and share your views on the topic. I&#8217;d love to see all newspapers do this, because then I could build one free site and run them all out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckallied</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckallied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still baffling why print media doesn&#039;t embrace digital better, especially when you consider the environmental costs of actually producing all the paper that they use.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/business/media/25adco.html) Newspapers made sense when paper was cheap and they had the best distribution, but along came the Internet and instead of embracing the media and ideals around what made them giants in the first place, they tried to sell everyone on the idea of their paper forts.  Next up, they&#039;ll be asking for a bailout in order to keep chewing trees and rocketing towards a too warm world.

Oh, editorial note: ...Google would &lt;strike&gt;someone&lt;/strike&gt; somehow decide to cough up some newspaper bailout money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still baffling why print media doesn&#8217;t embrace digital better, especially when you consider the environmental costs of actually producing all the paper that they use.  (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/business/media/25adco.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/business/media/25adco.html</a>) Newspapers made sense when paper was cheap and they had the best distribution, but along came the Internet and instead of embracing the media and ideals around what made them giants in the first place, they tried to sell everyone on the idea of their paper forts.  Next up, they&#8217;ll be asking for a bailout in order to keep chewing trees and rocketing towards a too warm world.</p>
<p>Oh, editorial note: &#8230;Google would <strike>someone</strike> somehow decide to cough up some newspaper bailout money&#8230;</p>
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