Dear Jeff–
Thank you for your letter today, informing me that after seven years of being one of your affiliates — and having earned for you about $150,000 in that time — that you “deeply regret” unilaterally terminating my contract with Amazon to be an affiliate. I also especially appreciated the part where you reassured me that this action wouldn’t affect my ability to keep buying from your company. Nice touch.
I deeply appreciate that after so many years of supporting your company, and earning my 4.5% cut over those years (as I figured today, looking at my stats), that you’ve decided that I should be a pawn in your fight with my state. That type of loyalty really makes me want to support you in the future, should you restore your program. It also encourages me to want to continue shopping with you.
Jeff, I’m fortunate. Unlike the case with many of your affiliates, this won’t have a big economic impact on me. Having affiliate links here on my personal blog is more a hobby than anything else. I’ve got a successful day job.
But I don’t like unfairness in general. I also don’t have a lot of time to waste. And right now, I feel like you’ve just delivered a double-dose of both.
Cut The Program & Keep The Links
I’m not sure how many affiliate links I have on the blog. Not that many, maybe 25 to 50 in all. But until about an hour ago, those links were worth something to you. Now, because of your squabble over the sales tax issue, you’ve decided to just take for free what you’d previously paid for. If I don’t find time to track down and kill those links, you keep grabbing orders that get made through them and keeping the cut I previously received.
Over the next day or so, you’re going to get a lot of orders this way. Bigger affiliates will eventually move. Plenty of smaller ones won’t be bothered to change. But those small ones that don’t will add up into plenty of money for your company. You, of all companies, really understand how all that long tail stuff can mount up, right?
I’m not a big fan of class action lawsuits. They just enrich lawyers and let the plaintiffs end up with a $20 coupon to buy goods from the same companies that wronged them in the first place. But thinking about all those links that will keep earning you money for free, I kind of hope someone files a suit against you. They probably won’t win, but you deserve a little hassle, too.
I Get To Be Your Pawn With Only 10 Hours Notice?
You want to just up and terminate my contract with you with only ten hours notice? Hey, to be honest, I don’t even know what my contract is — or was — with you. I suppose you granted yourself these rights. Most big businesses tend to do so.
But really, it only occurred to you today to give your California affiliates this notice? I’ve checked. You’ve sent nothing to us about this. Nothing yesterday. Nothing in the past month. Nothing at all, not until now. Since you clearly want to make us your pawns, maybe you could have told us sooner?
Then again, it might not have made a difference. See, I think you should collect sales tax. I don’t care what your “it’s unconstitutional” arguments are. Go argue them in court, with the people you’re upset with. But collect sales tax in the meantime. I’ll give you a simple reason why. It’s fair.
Let’s Make Amazon A Fair Trade Company
First, it’s fair to the affiliates that have helped build your business. You could collect sales tax and continue to have them support you, rather than suddenly make them all angry. Angry perhaps at the state, which is what you hope. But also angry at you.
For another, isn’t it time you grew up and became a real business that can compete against the bricks-and-mortar shops you undercut? Can’t you still win against them, even if you play on a more level playing field?
Of Borrowing Stores & Exporting Revenue
Look, I like to save money as much as the next person. And believe me, when I’m walking around in a Best Buy or Fry’s Electronics, I’m checking prices against Amazon.
But, I’m also feeling guilty if I’m checking out a product for a hands-on verification in these other shops that I might buy from you. I feel so guilty that that unless there’s a really big price difference, I’ll stick with them. After all, I like having them there. They give me the one thing you don’t. The ability to really experience an actual product — though with your great return policies, that’s growing less of an issue.
Still, for some people, that 8.25% tax (at minimum, since some counties and cities tack on more), can be a big enough difference to send those in-store shoppers — and in-store testers — heading over to your place.
That’s a pretty nice business to have, isn’t it? Merchants who invest in real stores effectively serve as your stores, too.
Some of these stores guarantee to match your prices, but they can’t beat that sales tax difference, can they? So when you write to me that the new California sales tax law is “supported by big box retailers, most of which are based outside of California,” I don’t really care.
Surprise. While I’m an Amazon affiliate (or was), I actually support those big box stores, too. And even if they’re outside California, they do collect sales tax — which in turn supports my state.
Affiliates Are Also Californians
Oh, yeah. That’s another issue. Not only are you sucking purchases (and thus potentially jobs) out of my state and undermining those retailers, but you’re also not letting the state earn off the sales tax like those retailers who actually are based here do. That makes me feel really good as a Californian.
Now sure, lots of us affiliates here have been earning off of you — and thus ourselves being taxed by California — so the state has been getting revenue from you indirectly. But that brings me back to the fairness.
Collect The Taxes; Fight Without Us Pawns
You could collect the tax, voluntarily. You could keep your affiliates, give back to the state, be more competitive with those retailers here and not cause all this ill-will that’s more about enriching your company than fighting the good fight.
So, Jeff, if you want to fight this, go ahead. But don’t make us your pawns. Take an hour of programming time to make a change to start collecting those taxes, just like you already seem to do in states like New York where you have a physical presence.
I like Amazon. I like buying all types of products from you. I depend on you especially these days for music and video rentals. Don’t make me hate you. Don’t make me seek out an alternative to your affiliate programs or worse, an alternative to buying from you period.
Thanks,
Danny
NOTE: For my search marketing readers, wondering about affiliate links as paid links (which are bad with Google), I usually nofollow these here, in the odd posts where they appear. Older ones might not have nofollow. But Google’s said fairly recently that most major affiliate programs do not need to have nofollow attached to them.
Also, I don’t pretend to understand Amazon’s arguments with California or other states. I claim no expertise in this. Violet Blue has written a nice background piece on some of the issues here that you might find useful. There is also round-up coverage on Techmeme.
While I don’t know the legalities, I do know that affiliates in California are clearly being used by Amazon in a fight it has with their own state. I think Amazon can fight that fight without penalizing them. And it should.
Postscript: See my follow-up piece, Amazon Welcomes Back Its California Affiliates.
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While there are many legal issues at play here, and quite frankly I do not claim to be an expert on this topic, but it strikes me that the one issue we should absolutely be discussing is whether or not the high sales tax in CA is punitive. Amazon critics say the company enjoys an unfair advantage but fail to point out how a 10% (in some counties) sales tax is an obstacle for every business, Amazon or no Amazon.
I really dont understand your beef here? I get that you’re mad at the lack of notice, but the rest seems misdirected. Why not get pissed at your govenor for refusing to solve the states fundemental problem…TOO MUCH SPENDING, by trying to suck more tax revenue out of a business. The rest of the piece seems to be upset at Amazon for having a better business model, than say Barnes and Noble or Best Buy. I just dont get it.
@Jeff, I’m always amused by some businesses idea that a company that has less expenses because of thier busienss model, that it has an unfair business practice. lol
Don’t forget to send a letter to Jerry Brown and the Democratic Legislature for taxing the internet. They are more to blame than Amazon.com is.
Amazon’s affiliates are the victims, but the blame rests on the state, not on Amazon. California’s 8.25% sales tax is the highest in the nation. Just imagine, suddenly they have to fork over 7.6% of their haul. With the number of customers they have in California, that’s a devestating loss. It’s obvious that their best option is to cut off their affiliates.
Frankly, I’m shocked that you expected anything else.
Kiara, I’m not that mad about the lack of notice. It’s just an example of how little Amazon really seems to care about the affiliates — who are also customers.
Also, you and Josh seem to misunderstand how sales tax works. Amazon doesn’t suddenly get sucked dry for that amount of money, the extra 8.25%.
No, sales tax is a charge levied on the consumer. Amazon just collects it and pays it to the state. So no, Josh, Amazon doesn’t “fork over” any of its haul. It forks over what it collected on behalf of the state.
If the did that, they almost certainly would not have a devastating loss. They’d have prices that might not be slightly cheaper than retail stores overall, because they’d have to collect the sales tax they do now. But many people like shopping with Amazon for reasons other than the potential tax savings, including the fact you don’t have to drive off and waste time shopping for many items.
So back to you, Kiara. The piece is mainly upset that Amazon has decided that collecting sales tax would cause it to lose a pricing advantage against retailers with real stores, and so rather than fight the law (which perhaps might lead to a better one all around), it has cut loose its affiliates.
“CA and its liberal viewpoint… Ruined the state”
@A. Friend must have forgotten conservative patron St. Ronald Reagan was R-Gov CA. And probably has failed to visit Orange County, SLO, San Diego, Stockton, Fresno, Sacramento, the whole of the central valley.
Must stick his craw that so much technology and bio science success comes out of the “liberal” SF Bay Area and that Jeff Bezo actually supported the democratic governor in WA, and OMG contributed to Obama’s campaign.
Why does every blog comment thread at some point have to devolve into a liberal vs. conservative pissing match?
Cry me a river, Crybabies.
@kiara it always amuses me when people talk out of their ass. AMZN’s gross profit margin is 24% and their EBITDA margin is 5.7%… Walmart, which does pay sales tax and has enormous physical infrastructure to support, has a 27% gross profit margin and 7.9% EBITDA margin.
Amazon’s costs are shifted from retail operations to distribution and infrastructure, just because their operations are online does not mean their expenses have evaporated.
@kiara PS – if I misread your comment to me please excuse my response.
As an Amazon merchant, and a small business, I am glad that Amazon is taking a strong stance on states who want to force out-of-state small merchants to be their tax collector. There is no way possible that we can stay in business and compete if we are required to comply with the thousands of various sales tax laws throughout the USA. You will destroy small businesses such as mine, and Walmart and other massive retailers will win.
I’m sorry you’re losing your Amazon income, but if Amazon were to start collecting sales tax and give into state pressure that ignores federal law, it would lose MANY, MANY of its loyal users to other merchants, including myself. California put itself in its financial troubles. NOT the people, THE STUPID FU$*^&$% GOVERNMENT PEOPLE IN CHARGE. They’re not overtaxing, they’re OVERSPENDING, BIG TIME. The cost of living in this state is ridiculous, but that’s in large part because the cost of doing business in this state is too. I still see wasted money every time I leave the house, and every time I visit a friend at a state or other government office, and every time I talk to co-workers who get food stamps that dont need them. They’re punishing the people by cutting back on education etc, but its not because they need more money, they need to manage what they get far better. The federal government does too, but this state especially. Now California is going to further hurt its own businesses and citizens by trying to take more money it shouldn’t get, and its only going to hurt them more. If I were you I’d quit blaming Amazon and move the hell out of California.
Don’s post:
“RAG, the 8,000 jurisdictions collecting sales tax is not that big a deal. There are companies that provide a service to online websites that keep track of the different rates.”
Perfect!
I thought we were only talking about state taxes being collected. Assuming that we are only talking about state taxes being collected then I would assume there is software available to on-line companies to collect the state taxes only (~45 states), not all 8000 taxing juridictions.
There is much crying and gnashing of teeth at the prospect of having to do the right thing now that on-line businesses are required to do so by state law. Instead of working yourself up into a rage try looking up the software package you need and get on with business. There is way too much emotional content being vented on a simple fact of life – you don’t always get to take advantage of the system forever. Good grief! Grow up and behave like adults.
Will, I love California. It’s my state. It’s my home. And I’m going nowhere. It has problems, just like any place, and I hope we deal with those problems.
I’ll say again as was in my original piece and follow-up comments. This isn’t about my income. This income loss won’t be noticed at all. That you and others keep writing this suggests that you aren’t actually reading the piece. And since I only have so much time, I’ll stop responding to clarify this shortly. And eventually, I’ll just close the comments. There’s only so much repeating of things over-and-over that anyone can take. And that includes readers here.
I’ve also agreed that I don’t think this is somehow a magic fix for California’s budget woes, nor do I disagree that we can’t do better with the taxes we already spend. I didn’t write any of that. Nor did I blame Amazon for California’s budget problems.
I am upset with Amazon for behaving in a poor business manner. It is entirely possible to be upset with them for this and not meant that you’re all cheerleading for “the other side.”
Amazon could have, and should have, given their affiliates more notice. They didn’t. No, this didn’t catch me off-guard, as I’ve explained before. But it’s just not businesslike to send the notices out in the way they did.
Amazon could have chosen to fight the law by collecting sales tax and holding it in escrow. Instead, it chose to cut-and-run, dropping the affiliates and not contributing to fixing the laws it disagrees with. I think it could have, and should have, done that.
Others are entirely within their rights to disagree with my views on this.
Also, coming to the close of this latest response, I pretty much feel all that’s needed to be said here has been said here all around. So I am closing the comments.
I honestly do appreciate those who have contributed here with thoughtful responses. I wish I could keep it going, but as I said, I do have a day job. So I’m getting back to that.
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