Sky HD Installed & Live: My First Experiences

by on June 6, 2006

in TV

At last, I’ve got Sky HD. The install happened on Saturday, and now I’m enjoying glorious pictures. Well, nicer ones with the occasional wow factor. Here’s the rundown on how things work and are going so far.

Let’s start outdoors, with the disk upgrade:

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Hanging off the disk is the new “octo” LNB. That’s octo as in having eight outputs. Previously, I had a quad LNB as does anyone with a Sky+ box. You needed the quad because Sky+ required at least two outputs, and a standard Sky LNB has only one. The quad let you have Sky+ along with capacity for an additional regular Sky box or two.

Sky HD is just like Sky+ — you need two outputs. And if you already have Sky+ like me, you’ll might want to keep that box under a multiroom subscription. So that’s four outputs needed. But I asked for the octo, because I’ll use the fifth lead eventually to run a spare Sky box as a free-to-air/Freeview box (and still will have three spare ones after that). I’d heard octos were available, and the installer didn’t hesitate to put one on. I’d recommend you ask for it to ensure it’s provided.

Here’s a close-up, where I’ve pulled the little covering box down from the LNB, to expose where the leads go in:

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You can see I’m using only four of the eight so far. Adding extras is easy — just attach the additional cable.

Onward to the Sky HD decoder box, which is contained within its own pretty box:

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What have we got inside? Here’s everything:

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Specifically, you’ve got the Sky HD box itself, a power cord for the box and a remote and batteries. There’s an RF cable, a phone line cable, a Scart cable and amazingly, and HDMI cable.

Actually, perhaps it’s not so amazing they threw this in. Without that cable, you’re either not going to get actual HD quality or you’ll have to get it through a component video output. And since your TV likely only has one HDMI (mine has two; more are beginning to do this) and one component input, you’ll want to save component for your DVD player. Giving you the HDMI cable ensures you aren’t going to be calling Sky and complaining.

I actually already had an HDMI cable — two, in fact, which I’d ordered in advance to be on the safe side. I found them from MediaAtlantic, unbranded Belkin ones for the incredibly low price of £8.80. Of course, they might not be Belkin at all. They didn’t come in Belkin packaging (and MediaAtlantic did explain this on the product page). But they don’t have anything I can see on the cables themselves to indicate Belkin actually made them, either.

Still, with most generic cables I’ve seen selling in the £20 range, I figured it was a good gamble. They’re working fine as far as I can tell, and perhaps down the line I’ll upgrade to one from someone like Monster, just to be safe. Certainly I’ve seen the difference a good Scart cable can make — and that Sky cable, while nice to have included, probably isn’t that great. The Scart cable certainly is cheap.

Let’s look at the box itself some more. From the front, nothing thrilling — standard buttons (and your Sky card goes into a hidden slot on the right-hand side, visible after you fold down a panel. The slot you see is for the still never-to-have-materialized interactive card):

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And now the far more interesting back:

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Closeup from the left-side:

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Going from left-to-right, you can see the two dish input sockets, then the phone input. A serial RS-232 socket as on all Sky Digital boxes is there, still doing absolutely nothing after all these years. There’s an aerial in socket, along with the usual two RF outlets. You’ve got an optical audio out socket as with Sky+, not needed if you use HDMI to my understanding, which will carry both digital video and audio. You will need it for surround sound, to run to a separate amp. To date, I’ve not seen any HD set with built in surround. Why remains a mystery I’ll have to research. My old CRT set and plenty of others had true surround sound built in — and personally, I hate the complication of a separate amp.

Yes, that’s a USB socket you can see — and no, it doesn’t work to my knowledge. There have been high hopes we’ll be able to plug some type of device into this in the future. Given how Sky never made use of the serial port, I’m not holding out much hope. Next you’ve got component video sockets, then analog sound inputs along with an S-Video connection.

And for the other side:

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You can see the standard Scart outputs (non-European readers, Scart is a high-quality way of sending audio/video between devices used in Europe, with the main downside being the big-ass cables that like to fall out of their slots). Then there’s the HDMI slot, then an Ethernet port and a SATA port for an external hard drive. Neither the Ethernet or the SATA ports do anything yet, to my knowledge.

Let’s do the remotes:

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On the left, the usual Sky+ remote. In the middle, the new one — slightly wider and much more comfortable to hold. On the left is my baby, my Harmony all-in-one remote that I’ll someday blog in more depth. Short story – get one, and you won’t look back.

Let’s pile them up:

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You can see the new Sky HD remote (in the middle) is slightly thinner. Good news — it operates exactly the same as the regular Sky+ remote. Specifically, I didn’t have to reprogram my Harmony at all, which sends standard Sky+ commands. In contrast, the regular Sky remotes and Sky+ aren’t interchangeable. The only quirk I’ve noticed is that if I’m using PVR functions on the Harmony — fast forward, rewind, pause — I have to hit the correct button twice to get a reaction. I’ll look into this more down the line.

Next, some menus:

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Look at the bottom of the picture above. See the HD Channels option for your red button? That’s new, and it brings up this:

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That lists everything showing in HD on Sky. It’s all of one single screen page — what you see above is all there is. So far, the BBC is doing only boring previews. Sky One is active with stuff — more on this in a bit. And this week, I’ve suddenly watched Discovery and National Geographic more than in the past eight years, just to see something in HD :)

How about some settings? Look at this:

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See down at the bottom, HD Resolution Output? That’s where you can see what level of HD is sent to your TV. Options are:

  • 576
  • 720p
  • 1080i
  • Automatic

Mine is set to 1080i. That’s because the installer said that Sky is advising everyone who can run this at the moment to use it. He didn’t give an explanation, but I think the reason is based on what you get if you change it:

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See that screen? After you do it, the picture flickers for a short period (a few seconds) and then stabilizes. I’m guessing that if you’re on automatic and flipping through channels being sent in different resolutions, you’d likely get that flicker and be annoyed quickly. As I’ll come back to, Sky also warns the box is sluggish and somewhat unstable. So 1080i may be deemed the safest route until things improve.

So let’s look at some pictures. If you’re watching HD, Sky lets you know by putting HD in the reverse bar on the info screen, as you can see below as Chloe works to save Jack in 24:

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Ah, Chloe — I love her on so many levels.

Unfortunately, Sky doesn’t say what the HD quality is. Are you sending in 1080i? 720p? 576? Something else? Frankly, I’d like to know.

Picture quality? President Logan, can you lend an ear?

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That’s the slimeball in HD. Now big caveat! I’m shooting a picture off my TV with my camera, which is going to lose quality for various reasons, not to mention a further reduction in reducing it for the web. But look at his ear. See how the border of his ear and the background is fairly sharp. Now look at this from my regular TV:

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See how the ear has a fuzzy bit along it? That’s typically of what annoys me with regular TV. It gets all pixilated or ghosted at times like this around heads and objects that move. Plus, you can see the scan lines on the regular TV. Sure, far away, you don’t notice as much. But HD TV has many more lines, thus nicer pictures.

So far, the HD picture seems to have improved that. However, here’s another caveat. Some of what’s broadcast on Sky One wasn’t originally shot in HD, to my knowledge. In these cases, my understanding is that they are upscaling the image. In other words, take a low resolution photo and increase the resolution. You don’t get more detail, since you can’t somehow add what wasn’t there before. But perhaps it might look smoother or less jagged. That’s what seems to happen with the old shows. They have a softer, gentler appearance. It’s not bad, but it doesn’t make your mouth drop.

Now consider this from National Geographic, first the HD shot:

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Then the regular TV shot, or more specifically, an HD picture sent through the Scart cable, so it should be coming out at a much lower resolution:

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My photos don’t do it justice. The nature channels, to my knowledge, are using lots of actual HD footage. And there are indeed times when I’m amazed at the quality. No, I don’t think I could just jump in to a “real” picture. But the quality improvement is noticeable, and I want to see more of it.

OK, some more notes. Storage, you’ve got 160GB of it. HD’s going to take more, but I can’t say many hours your likely to get on the box yet. I’m still filling it up.

Sky gives you a special information sheet warning:

  • It takes longer to start a box if it’s been unplugged
  • It takes longer to switch channels between HD and non-HD
  • Fast forward and rewind might not be as responsive
  • The box might freeze or stop working

Reassuring! And minutes after I started using it, my box did indeed just crash and go dark for no apparent reason. I had to unplug it from the mains to get going again. The good news is, once it restarted, it’s been stable ever since.

Some other things. First, if you have Sky+, get all your programs off. We have multiroom, so Sky+ was our own box and viewing card, with an old Sky box in another room. Our main viewing card had to go into the Sky HD box — meaning our secondary viewing card had to move to the Sky+ box. And if you do that, apparently you lose access to all recorded programs. My DVD recorder was busy as soon as the installer left. When I was done the next day, with all stored programs removed, THEN I called Sky myself to do the card move around. That went fine, and HD channels were accessible in an hour or less. By the way, none of the series link stuff on the Sky+ box got deleted.

Also, while you pay more for HD, as I’ve covered before, there’s no extra charge for Sky+ to be your multiroom box. IE, you don’t pay for Sky+ functionality twice. So now we have a nice backup if the HD box goes crazy or heaven forbid we want to record three or four things at once. Of course, you still have to go into the other room to watch the other box and see it in regular TV.

Be aware the HD box puts out a lot of heat. A lot of heat. If you put it in an enclosed or tight space, I think you’ll have problems. It’s amazingly hot, the air blowing out of it. Fortunately, it’s still pretty silent despite this. I notice the hard drive writes more than any fan action.

That’s pretty much it, for the moment. Overall, I’m not blown away by HD, but it’s still early days. I’d definitely go for it if you were debating between Sky+ or not and you had an HD capable TV. FYI, mine is a Toshiba 32WLT66, 32″ being the biggest my wife will allow in the house. So perhaps I’d be more blown away with a bigger set. But I am pleased and looking forward to seeing more.

After writing this up, I did some looking around for what others are saying. Here’s a rundown on that:

  • Sky HDTV launch runs into trouble from the BBC covers how many are getting delays beyond what was expected. Our initial date was pushed back two weeks. Sky was very apologetic and also provided a automatic £20 credit, if I recall. I do find it ironic to that the BBC is sort of dinging Sky in the article only to later say it is showing the “selected output of broadcasters such as the BBC.” Sky, at least, is putting out actual stuff in HD. The BBC’s waiting until the World Cup starts to do anything, to my understanding.
  • SkyHD installation: first impressions from David Kaspar has a rundown on using component inputs and notes the flicker problem I suspected would be the case if you use automatic. He’s also got a tip on telling if content is being upscaled (Sky should indicate this itself, perhaps UHD to indicate upscaled HD versus HD for true HD). He’s also got a nice explanation of various HD resolutions. The Times has a nice guide, too.
  • A few more thoughts about the Sky HD box from HDTV UK has some brief comments including 720p (a progressive picture, each line drawn in order) giving a smoother picture than 1080i (more lines, but half drawn, then the other half, such as lines 1, 3, 5 and so on, then lines 2, 4, 6). Others have also contributed comments such as getting to the HD channel being a pain (it is, and so is hitting green to get to the regular planner, and no, complaining about the annoying extra step isn’t lazy!). The site has a Sky HD category, so that might be worth watching for more updates.

Postscript: Some more reviews:

  • Sky HD Review from Lordpercy.com looks at doing the DVI to HDMI thing, plus Sky saying think black vertical bands on either side of a 720p picture are an LCD problem (David’s article above says this happens when standard def content is upscaled to HD).
  • Sky’s high-def box reviewed from Adam Berger at Gadgetell overs key details and observations on various types of content.
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{ 21 comments }

1 Gazza June 19, 2006 at 8:11 am

The bit you said about the “serial RS-232 socket as on all Sky Digital boxes is there, still doing absolutely nothing after all these years” I’m sorry but if you keep upto date with sky you will know hat the Sky Gnome plugs into the RS-232 Socket just with you saying it does nothing for all these years! when it does for the past year

2 Danny Sullivan June 29, 2006 at 3:43 am

Thanks, Gazza — I stand corrected! I don’t have a Sky Gnome, though I thought about getting one for my mother-in-law. Of course, they still haven’t fixed that 4 digit radio problem on them, have they? Certainly messes up my Windows Media Centre PC, if I want to go from radio to TV. And also, I think I’ve got some Sky game controllers somewhere they gave out in a promotion that also hook up to the serial port. So I stand corrected twice!

3 rob August 11, 2006 at 11:51 pm

ask sky about the res it sends hd in
i did this and asked if it was true that they use low res and the hd box is only converting signal to a high res.so asked why then do you need hd box as its signal is low res.with this sky put the phone down on me.
so all i have to say about skyhd is sky are ripping people off as its the tv that has to be able to do the high res to see high def tv

4 Keith Davies June 18, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I have had a Sky+HD Box installed by Sky. My TV is a brand new Panasonic 42″ Plasma TV. I have had the Sky engineer back 3 times already. The problem is that on most of the channels, the Picture is out of scale, with everyone’s face on close up, very long, and everyone looking as though they are 9 feet tall. The first time they changed the box, the last time the engineer said he didn’t know how to correct the problem, that he would report the problem to his senior engineer, needles to say no one has called back. I contacted Sky again, they are sending an engineer again tomorrow, 19th June. Anyone have any idea what the problem could be.

5 Mikey June 25, 2009 at 6:15 am

Sky HD is in 1080i, according to my TV’s OSD. I think the idea of them being low res imaged somehow miraculously upscaled by the box is kind of unlikely. Note that there’s also 5.1 sound in the stream. There’s no way that’s been extrapolated from stereo!

6 Mikey June 25, 2009 at 6:19 am

..oh, and there’s no surround in HDMI…which seems silly but it’s true: You need to connect the optical out to your surround amp. There’s a little timeslip feature buried in the box software in case your lipsync is off

7 MarkB July 28, 2009 at 10:06 am

well ive recently had sky HD installed[3mnths]and have a pace box ,the 1st failed in under 4 hrs even the remote failed completely ,the engineer was agast as he’d never had a remote fail especially after such a short time .i just had the new epg update which allows you to add itvhd to your viewing. but back to the are sky putting non hd progs on HD channels ,answer yes they are shockingly.the new epg allows you to display highlighted in orange HD programmes,and theres quite a bit of programing that is not actual HD ,but it is improved slightly

8 Skilberto September 6, 2009 at 5:02 am

Does anybody know whether the USB socket on the HD Sky box will ever be activated. Seems a waste to have such a feature, only to be able to recharge an i-pod with it. I would like to be able to connect an external HD and play the films I have downloaded from the net, through my TV. Is that a possibilty ?

9 Daniel September 24, 2009 at 3:37 am

1080i is actually worse resolution than 720p (due to interlacing), and 1080i comes out at 540 lines every frame.

Current formats are ordered like this…

1) 1080p (p = progressive)
2) 720p
3) 1080i
4) 480p
5) 480i

Check out you tube videos for more detailed explanation, search for 1080i, and it should be a guy in front of a lake…

Anyway I would suggest 720p as the default setting, less blurring.

10 andrew brooks November 21, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Hi, can anybody assist in advising me how to tune in the t,v to recieve hd have box which works well on the scart (non hd) but dont know how to tune in my tv (a toshiba) have the appropriate
hdmi/dva lead in place and the individual sound cables but going mad tryimg to find the info anywhere let alone on sky website.
HELP PLEASE
ANDY.

11 John November 22, 2009 at 10:02 am

With all the above EXCELLENT explantions etc…. what about the (in)famous SKY viewing card. I have all the gear – Full HD TV, SKY HD Digibox…. but not the 2009 card. Any suggestions MOST gratefully received.
John.

12 max watson December 7, 2009 at 10:55 am

hello, i have just ordered a sky + hd box, however upon reflection i am not sure if my tv will output in hd from it. i have a 1080I compatable tv which when manufactured did not have a hdmi soclet put on it. it is h/d compatable but does not have the hd ready logo. i am currently using a component cable, please will someone be able to tell me if my tv will connect in hd with the new sky + box!!! i cant seem to get an answer from anywhere including the technical dept from sky!!!!!!!

many thanks

max

13 Woody December 20, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Have just got SKY HD connected the box to my AMP using a good quality coaxial lead but the sound on certain programmes is not quite right,seems to have an echo and very tinney. Any ideas why?

14 Matthew Flanagan January 8, 2010 at 5:24 pm

keith D,

regarding your resolution problem have you messed around with your tv settings because that happens with xbox360 when you have HDMI enabled and you have set the resolution too low and with origional tv settings everything is long e.g guy on cod is massive and very skinny, i don’t know with everyone having different tvs its hard to pin point where the problem is lying, i have a philips 32″ HD and a Samsung 32″ HD. hope that helps any, problems like these you reli need to be there to try and fix them!
hope you get it fixed soon matt

15 RhayaderSax February 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm

Ordered my Sky+HD today as both the box & installation are FREE at the moment.
Does anyone know if they’ve upgraded the HDMI on the new ones to output 5.1 sound or do they still rely on the optical feed?

In your article you mention spending money on getting a decent HDMI lead comparing them to improved quality from SCART leads.

It IS worth getting a decent SCART lead to improve quality as they carry an analogue signal. However…

It is NOT worth spending money on an expensive HDMI lead. There will be no improvement in picture quality. This is because the signal they carry is digital. The 1s and 0s either get there or they don’t.

16 Andy February 22, 2010 at 11:50 am

@keith D, dont know if you have tried already but have a look on yer tv remote for the zoom/aspect ratio button sometimes plasmas n lcd tvs dont automaticly adjust when turning on or switching channels so needs to be adjusted manualy pretty sure it used to do the same with my old 32inch bog standard tv, just a though has happened to me a few times.

does anyone know if they usb on the thomson sky+ box does anything? surely if it has power its connected in some way and when the engi was fitting mines i swear i seen him plug some wierd looking device into it :P just curious

17 JOE CAMPBELL February 25, 2010 at 11:18 am

Hi , just ordered my SKY HD Today ,but after reading this lot ,i wish i had held back awhile. i have a LG 37″ LCD 1080p full HD tv and a LG / HDMI DIGITAL HOME THEATER TUNER .. I thought that when you get the SKY HD and you have a extra HDMI SOCKET (2 on tv ) and (2on theater system) you should get surround sound . but it seems to me i need to buy and connect a optical cable from tuner to tv. and as for the picture quality , I’m now doubtful i will see any difference

18 Michael March 9, 2010 at 4:24 pm

I cannot belive some of the stupid questions people ask about HD setup on here..How stupid are some people

19 Jarmon March 22, 2010 at 5:37 am

Just in case someone views this in the future let me answer your questions. Keith make sure you set your TV and sky box to the same aspect ratio and your format problems should be solved. Andrew you need a TV box that outputs an HD signal once you have that plug the HDMI cable from that box into the HDMI input on your TV select that input source from settings screen on our TV and you are done. Max as you can see from the pictures the sky box does have component video outputs so yes you can have it. Just remember there is no sound so you need to connect that also. Woody as there is not a coaxial output for sound on the sky box I am assuming you have that plugging into your TV. Tinny sound is usually the sound processor. Either your TV or your stereo which ever is handling the processing. Hope this helps.

20 John May 28, 2010 at 7:00 am

Any problems with accessing the interactive service on your HD Box?
I’ve been advised this is a common problem and not just my box!

Sky advised they are
Quote” WORKING ON IT!!”

21 Alan Wilder June 4, 2010 at 1:22 pm

I think they made the original non HD programmes broadcast really poor to make you go HD. I have noticed how ITV picture has just got worse over recent years. Nowhere near as sharp as they use to be. And then they show you an advert how glorious HD looks and you then have to pay for it.

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