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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin is off their nut. Booked two prem econ tickets using milage two weeks ago PLUS $1,400 in &quot;taxes and fees&quot;. Need to cancel the reservations (which are more than 90 days out). Virgin is telling me I will lose 25% of the mileage per res AND pay a $50 cancellation fee per ticket. Are you crazy????? Contacted their VP of Customer Service yesterday (John Geddings). No reply yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin is off their nut. Booked two prem econ tickets using milage two weeks ago PLUS $1,400 in &#8220;taxes and fees&#8221;. Need to cancel the reservations (which are more than 90 days out). Virgin is telling me I will lose 25% of the mileage per res AND pay a $50 cancellation fee per ticket. Are you crazy????? Contacted their VP of Customer Service yesterday (John Geddings). No reply yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Frith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Frith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to rate Virgin Atlantic quite highly but no more!

My elderly parents visited me from the UK and I tried to use the online check in to ensure they got seats together for their overnight return flight. The system does not allow you to check-in more than 24 hours ahead of the flight departure but as soon as the clock passed the -24 hour mark I logged on but got an error message saying the system was unavailable. After several more attempts, I called by phone and after 20 minutes or more on hold was told there was a problem with the sysstem and to try again later. I tried again and again over the following 2½ hours without success so I called again but gave up after 30 or more minutes on hold. I hung up and called again for another 35 minutes on hold before someone assured me they could help and transferred me back into the menu system where I managed to navigate my way to a hang up. Calling back it only took 20 minutes to get an answer out of New Delhi or wherever. The eastern gentlemen informed me that all online seats were already allocated so the only remedy would be to check in 3 hours ahead of the flight instead on 1½ hours. I asked how the online check in seats could be taken if the system had been down. Not suprisingly, he couldn&#039;t provide an answer.

Unfortunately, instead of asking to speak to a supervisor, I ended the phone call (politely). It was then I decided that I was unsatisfied enough that I wanted to escalate the problem - two calls and 1¾ hours later, I finally talked to someone who refused to put me through to a supervisor but couldn&#039;t do anything about the situation except notify the airport departure desk about the issue - to what end remains to be seen.

All that money and they can&#039;t provide a consistent online check in system or reasonable customer service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to rate Virgin Atlantic quite highly but no more!</p>
<p>My elderly parents visited me from the UK and I tried to use the online check in to ensure they got seats together for their overnight return flight. The system does not allow you to check-in more than 24 hours ahead of the flight departure but as soon as the clock passed the -24 hour mark I logged on but got an error message saying the system was unavailable. After several more attempts, I called by phone and after 20 minutes or more on hold was told there was a problem with the sysstem and to try again later. I tried again and again over the following 2½ hours without success so I called again but gave up after 30 or more minutes on hold. I hung up and called again for another 35 minutes on hold before someone assured me they could help and transferred me back into the menu system where I managed to navigate my way to a hang up. Calling back it only took 20 minutes to get an answer out of New Delhi or wherever. The eastern gentlemen informed me that all online seats were already allocated so the only remedy would be to check in 3 hours ahead of the flight instead on 1½ hours. I asked how the online check in seats could be taken if the system had been down. Not suprisingly, he couldn&#8217;t provide an answer.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, instead of asking to speak to a supervisor, I ended the phone call (politely). It was then I decided that I was unsatisfied enough that I wanted to escalate the problem &#8211; two calls and 1¾ hours later, I finally talked to someone who refused to put me through to a supervisor but couldn&#8217;t do anything about the situation except notify the airport departure desk about the issue &#8211; to what end remains to be seen.</p>
<p>All that money and they can&#8217;t provide a consistent online check in system or reasonable customer service!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More tales of woe. I couldn&#039;t resist sharing. My letter to Virgin below.



								20th October 2010

To Virgin Atlantic:

Following my call to Virgin Atlantic Customer Service around 11:30pm tonight, I would like to log a formal complaint against an employee at your call centre called Michelle. I assume she is based out of a centre in or around India. Not only was she completely disrespectful, almost abusive, during our telephone conversation implying (explicitly) that she was doing me a favour by taking my call, but she also hung up on me when I asked to speak to her supervisor. I am outraged! It is my understanding that it has become popular amongst businesses to outsource services like call centres, but really some level of decency must be maintained.

I am completely dismayed and feel shaken by the event. When I booked this ticket I went out of my way to select Virgin, knowing that although I was paying a higher cost I was also getting a better service. After realising I booked the incorrect date for my return trip I immediately called the FreePhone/Toll Free number and received not help, but a tirade. Is this how Virgin is training its staff? To yell at customers? Shocking!

I would like to request that a formal investigation is launched and that this employee Michelle is terminated, or at the very least severely reprimanded and retrained. Michelle represented the Virgin brand very poorly, indeed, and I will think twice about booking with Virgin again lest I have to deal with someone like her; as a flight attendant her negligence could be lethal.

Still my incorrect ticket remains unchanged and I am hesitant to call your FreePhone/Toll Free number again. Who would want to go back for a second round of abuse? No customer should have to take such treatment! Absolutely horrific. An abomination for the company and its stockholders. I just can&#039;t believe it. This is not the Virgin I have come to know and love.

In the interest of full disclosure I am sending a copy of this letter to Trading Standards and the Office of Fair Trading. Other people must be protected from this type of indecency.

Sincerely,
Nicole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More tales of woe. I couldn&#8217;t resist sharing. My letter to Virgin below.</p>
<p>								20th October 2010</p>
<p>To Virgin Atlantic:</p>
<p>Following my call to Virgin Atlantic Customer Service around 11:30pm tonight, I would like to log a formal complaint against an employee at your call centre called Michelle. I assume she is based out of a centre in or around India. Not only was she completely disrespectful, almost abusive, during our telephone conversation implying (explicitly) that she was doing me a favour by taking my call, but she also hung up on me when I asked to speak to her supervisor. I am outraged! It is my understanding that it has become popular amongst businesses to outsource services like call centres, but really some level of decency must be maintained.</p>
<p>I am completely dismayed and feel shaken by the event. When I booked this ticket I went out of my way to select Virgin, knowing that although I was paying a higher cost I was also getting a better service. After realising I booked the incorrect date for my return trip I immediately called the FreePhone/Toll Free number and received not help, but a tirade. Is this how Virgin is training its staff? To yell at customers? Shocking!</p>
<p>I would like to request that a formal investigation is launched and that this employee Michelle is terminated, or at the very least severely reprimanded and retrained. Michelle represented the Virgin brand very poorly, indeed, and I will think twice about booking with Virgin again lest I have to deal with someone like her; as a flight attendant her negligence could be lethal.</p>
<p>Still my incorrect ticket remains unchanged and I am hesitant to call your FreePhone/Toll Free number again. Who would want to go back for a second round of abuse? No customer should have to take such treatment! Absolutely horrific. An abomination for the company and its stockholders. I just can&#8217;t believe it. This is not the Virgin I have come to know and love.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure I am sending a copy of this letter to Trading Standards and the Office of Fair Trading. Other people must be protected from this type of indecency.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Nicole</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that since VA was caught price fixing with BA that there service has declined. They are no doubt trying to recoup the fines by shortcutting customer services.
The lounge at LHR was probably the finest anywhere in the world but lack of maintenance is showing in constant equipment failures. Same for their aircraft. 
The same flight from LAX to LHR has had an unuseable entertainment system throughout the aircraft for approx. 5 months. I fly this every month and cannot remember the last time it worked. Many of their aircraft have inoperable APU&#039;s which the crew try to blame on Airbus the manufacturer. Every VA flight I have been on is fraught with excuses for cabin crew shortages, late arrivals and departures and the constant malfunction of equipment.
The worst part is that this littany of issues is beginning to tell on the morale and services provided by the crews. They are constantly having to provide excuses for all of the failings and I think they are tired of it.
The most annoying thing is that these issues are airline wide because the airlines suffer no financial impact when they fail to provide services to the customer that they have paid for.
VA is a model for all that is wrong with the airline industry. VA firmly believes they can offer reduced service with any impact to their bottom line.
The best example of this is Steve Ridgway their CEO. During the fuel surcharge price fixing scandal he admitted knowing what was going on and admitted doing nothing about it. He did not face prosecution or punishment because he received immunity for being a witness. So he admits to criminal activity but he is still the VA CEO.
Richard Branson must like what he is doing. I have calculated that is the entertainment system on the plane above is worth $10 per seat, if it has been broken for 5 months with one flight each day with 300 passengers then that is a total of $450,000 that customers have paid for services they have not received. This will certainly help pay the fines for the price fixing scandal. The only way VA will learn is when passengers stop flying on VA. When they fire Steve Ridgway they you will know they got the message.
Until then, fly VA at your own risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that since VA was caught price fixing with BA that there service has declined. They are no doubt trying to recoup the fines by shortcutting customer services.<br />
The lounge at LHR was probably the finest anywhere in the world but lack of maintenance is showing in constant equipment failures. Same for their aircraft.<br />
The same flight from LAX to LHR has had an unuseable entertainment system throughout the aircraft for approx. 5 months. I fly this every month and cannot remember the last time it worked. Many of their aircraft have inoperable APU&#8217;s which the crew try to blame on Airbus the manufacturer. Every VA flight I have been on is fraught with excuses for cabin crew shortages, late arrivals and departures and the constant malfunction of equipment.<br />
The worst part is that this littany of issues is beginning to tell on the morale and services provided by the crews. They are constantly having to provide excuses for all of the failings and I think they are tired of it.<br />
The most annoying thing is that these issues are airline wide because the airlines suffer no financial impact when they fail to provide services to the customer that they have paid for.<br />
VA is a model for all that is wrong with the airline industry. VA firmly believes they can offer reduced service with any impact to their bottom line.<br />
The best example of this is Steve Ridgway their CEO. During the fuel surcharge price fixing scandal he admitted knowing what was going on and admitted doing nothing about it. He did not face prosecution or punishment because he received immunity for being a witness. So he admits to criminal activity but he is still the VA CEO.<br />
Richard Branson must like what he is doing. I have calculated that is the entertainment system on the plane above is worth $10 per seat, if it has been broken for 5 months with one flight each day with 300 passengers then that is a total of $450,000 that customers have paid for services they have not received. This will certainly help pay the fines for the price fixing scandal. The only way VA will learn is when passengers stop flying on VA. When they fire Steve Ridgway they you will know they got the message.<br />
Until then, fly VA at your own risk.</p>
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		<title>By: sam Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also &quot;jennifer&quot; there is absolutely no way you could purchase a first class ticket on any other airline rather than premium. business yes first no way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also &#8220;jennifer&#8221; there is absolutely no way you could purchase a first class ticket on any other airline rather than premium. business yes first no way</p>
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		<title>By: sam Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree. There is no number for how many times i have flown on virgin atlantic. Only upper class and premium economy in recent years though. All of the hosts and hostesses are extremely happy and look happy with there job. And it definitely shows. the lounge at Heathrow is without doubt one of the best lounges in the world. plus, virgin have never had one crash or emergency landing. The food can obviously be improved in fact its not even at the ok level but if you want good food go fly on singapore. what are you guys talking about saying united is a great airline? are you on somthing. sorry maybe you think finding rats in pillows is good i dont know. and obviously they let the upper class on first its called life jeez. they do that on every airline in the world get fucking used to it. dont start hating on richard branson when you probably bag groceries at vons for a living. why dont you go start and airline then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree. There is no number for how many times i have flown on virgin atlantic. Only upper class and premium economy in recent years though. All of the hosts and hostesses are extremely happy and look happy with there job. And it definitely shows. the lounge at Heathrow is without doubt one of the best lounges in the world. plus, virgin have never had one crash or emergency landing. The food can obviously be improved in fact its not even at the ok level but if you want good food go fly on singapore. what are you guys talking about saying united is a great airline? are you on somthing. sorry maybe you think finding rats in pillows is good i dont know. and obviously they let the upper class on first its called life jeez. they do that on every airline in the world get fucking used to it. dont start hating on richard branson when you probably bag groceries at vons for a living. why dont you go start and airline then?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stu -   I&#039;ve had similiar problems with BA.

I think US carriers are much more open to these sorts of things. I love United which has always treated me right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu &#8211;   I&#8217;ve had similiar problems with BA.</p>
<p>I think US carriers are much more open to these sorts of things. I love United which has always treated me right.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY VIRGIN STORY - CRAZY!

I used to LOVE Virgin too - and like Danny would always select them over other carriers.  In one year, I flew three or four Upper Class round trips between LAX and LHR.  I had moved up to Silver.

But on my most recent trip - I actually made a really silly mistake - I &#039;thought&#039; I had booked myself on the 11AM flight out of London - and got there at 9AM.  I discovered that in fact, I was booked on the 3PM flight.  Well - I was flying Upper Class and had paid fully for my ticket - so asked if there was room on the 11AM.  Indeed - there were EIGHTEEN SEATS OPEN IN UPPER CLASS.  Would they move me up to the 11AM flight please?  NO!!  I asked if I could speak to a supervisor - and was kept waiting for THIRTY MINUTES - and when she finally came she said they would move me but it would cost $500!!  She was about as cold and unsympathetic as she could be - WHAT was SHE doing working in the Upper Class check in area?  I asked, &quot;Have you looked at my flying club record? I&#039;ve flown with you four times in the last year?  Can&#039;t you move me as a favor?  It&#039;s a totally free move on your part.  You have 18 empty seats!&quot;  Cold stare.  NO!  No apology, no explanation, just NO! 
So - I sit in the lounge for FIVE HOURS waiting for the 3PM flight - and when I get to the gate for the flight, discover that the 3PM is OVERSOLD AND THEY ARE BUMPING PEOPLE.  How ridiculous is that?  They could have moved me out of there at 11AM for free, had another open seat at 3PM and saved themselves some money and aggravation.  
I discussed the whole thing with the pilot on the flight over and he thought it was just insane and encouraged me to write to Virgin.  Which I did.  Not surprisingly, I got a standard form letter back saying that the people in London had done the right thing.  Oh really?  I don&#039;t think so.  
It was a free move on their part - but now they&#039;ve lost not only all of my future ticket money (thousands a year) BUT ALSO my being a spokesperson for them - I used to recommend Virgin to all my friends and colleagues in the entertainment industry - NOT ANY MORE.  In fact, I go out of my way - like I am here - TO TELL PEOPLE TO AVOID FLYING THEM.    
And I agree with the comment about the &#039;staff party&#039; - they really do make you feel like you&#039;re gate crashing their little gathering.  All gathered at the bar chatting away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY VIRGIN STORY &#8211; CRAZY!</p>
<p>I used to LOVE Virgin too &#8211; and like Danny would always select them over other carriers.  In one year, I flew three or four Upper Class round trips between LAX and LHR.  I had moved up to Silver.</p>
<p>But on my most recent trip &#8211; I actually made a really silly mistake &#8211; I &#8216;thought&#8217; I had booked myself on the 11AM flight out of London &#8211; and got there at 9AM.  I discovered that in fact, I was booked on the 3PM flight.  Well &#8211; I was flying Upper Class and had paid fully for my ticket &#8211; so asked if there was room on the 11AM.  Indeed &#8211; there were EIGHTEEN SEATS OPEN IN UPPER CLASS.  Would they move me up to the 11AM flight please?  NO!!  I asked if I could speak to a supervisor &#8211; and was kept waiting for THIRTY MINUTES &#8211; and when she finally came she said they would move me but it would cost $500!!  She was about as cold and unsympathetic as she could be &#8211; WHAT was SHE doing working in the Upper Class check in area?  I asked, &#8220;Have you looked at my flying club record? I&#8217;ve flown with you four times in the last year?  Can&#8217;t you move me as a favor?  It&#8217;s a totally free move on your part.  You have 18 empty seats!&#8221;  Cold stare.  NO!  No apology, no explanation, just NO!<br />
So &#8211; I sit in the lounge for FIVE HOURS waiting for the 3PM flight &#8211; and when I get to the gate for the flight, discover that the 3PM is OVERSOLD AND THEY ARE BUMPING PEOPLE.  How ridiculous is that?  They could have moved me out of there at 11AM for free, had another open seat at 3PM and saved themselves some money and aggravation.<br />
I discussed the whole thing with the pilot on the flight over and he thought it was just insane and encouraged me to write to Virgin.  Which I did.  Not surprisingly, I got a standard form letter back saying that the people in London had done the right thing.  Oh really?  I don&#8217;t think so.<br />
It was a free move on their part &#8211; but now they&#8217;ve lost not only all of my future ticket money (thousands a year) BUT ALSO my being a spokesperson for them &#8211; I used to recommend Virgin to all my friends and colleagues in the entertainment industry &#8211; NOT ANY MORE.  In fact, I go out of my way &#8211; like I am here &#8211; TO TELL PEOPLE TO AVOID FLYING THEM.<br />
And I agree with the comment about the &#8216;staff party&#8217; &#8211; they really do make you feel like you&#8217;re gate crashing their little gathering.  All gathered at the bar chatting away.</p>
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		<title>By: Camie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for your reviews. My husband and I are going to fly to England (from LAX) this summer to visit my in-laws, and we were seriously considering Virgin. After reading the reviews here, I think we&#039;ll just stick with Air New Zealand. Their service is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your reviews. My husband and I are going to fly to England (from LAX) this summer to visit my in-laws, and we were seriously considering Virgin. After reading the reviews here, I think we&#8217;ll just stick with Air New Zealand. Their service is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My recent and unresolved tale of woe with these idiots is told at http://www.virginatlanicsucks.com.
Quite unbelievable, yet entirely true. They STILL have not replied, one week on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My recent and unresolved tale of woe with these idiots is told at <a href="http://www.virginatlanicsucks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.virginatlanicsucks.com</a>.<br />
Quite unbelievable, yet entirely true. They STILL have not replied, one week on.</p>
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